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Breakaway English, French, Saffa super rugby plans

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kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Interesting potential developments.

Robert Kitson guardian.co.uk said:
Premiership rugby union club reveals threat of breakaway global league

• English, French and South African super league planned
• Rival bid on table for eight-team World Club Championship

Secret plans to transform European domestic rugby union are being considered by French and English sides keen to put the professional club game on a firmer financial footing. One leading official from a Premiership club is warning of a possible "violent breakaway" by wealthier European clubs, with teams in South Africa understood to be monitoring the situation.

With a new Heineken Cup season kicking off this weekend, the Guardian can reveal that separate proposals are on the table to create a World Club Championship, bringing together the best eight non-international sides from both hemispheres. The champions of the Aviva Premiership, RaboPro12 and French Top 14 leagues, plus the Heineken Cup winners, would be invited to play the table-topping sides in New Zealand, South Africa and Australia, plus the Super 15 champions.

Money, as usual, is at the heart of the matter. The Heineken Cup is run by European Rugby Cup Ltd which acts on behalf of the unions involved. Tournament turnover has doubled in five years to just over €50m (£43m) but there are many who believe the competition is capable of generating far more. The 12 Premiership clubs receive only around €1m apiece for competing in Europe, although successful teams will earn more through increased sponsorship and gate revenue.

The frustrated clubs are aware the existing five-year ERC accord ends in June, although any stakeholder wishing to exit the tournament is still required to give two years' notice. All the tournament's major TV contracts expire in 2014 and Heineken's title sponsorship deal runs until 2013. The strict salary cap in England remains a further bone of contention for millionaire club owners who, despite the economic turmoil across Europe, are seeking to expand.

"From an English and French clubs' point of view the Heineken Cup is a growing competition but it is essentially controlled by the unions and played by the clubs," said a prominent club figure. "There are some English and French clubs who do not regard that as an ideal situation. There is also a growing weariness in South Africa with Sanzar [South Africa, New Zealand and Australia Rugby]. They feel they're at a playing disadvantage by constantly having to travel and, despite having more commercial pulling power, do not get a proportionally bigger share of the revenue. They feel South Africa is subsidising Australia and New Zealand, which are relatively small markets."

If Saracens' experiment of playing a Heineken Cup pool match in Cape Town in January proves a commercial success it will encourage those who believe the world's best club competition should not be restricted to six countries. A global calendar, with more rugby scheduled in the northern hemisphere summer, is on the wishlist. "My suspicion is that you're not going to get these sort of changes by consensus," the source added. "There will be a violent breakaway, probably. All the ingredients are there. If you look at the countries with maximum television rights and sponsorship potential – England, France and South Africa – they're all in the same time zone. Any sort of alliance between them would have serious consequences for Australia, New Zealand and the Celtic unions as well. There are certain common interests which might lead to some kind of [new] competition but there is still an awful lot of detail to be worked through."

The ramifications of any split would be enormous, not least for the Rugby Football Union and the French Rugby Federation. There will be shivers of alarm in Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand, who do not boast such large populations. A less apocalyptic scenario being pursued by Premiership Rugby, the body which represents the 12 leading English clubs, is to stage more offshore games. They believe European club rugby could emulate golf, which holds regular PGA Tour events in Asia and the Middle East.

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Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/nov/11/rugby-union-violent-breakaway-premiership
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
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While it would be disappointing for SANZAR to disbanden I think that Aust, NZ and Arg could look to the Pacific and Asia as the solution. At least with Asia the time zone would be similar.
 

Dam0

Dave Cowper (27)
The market for Rugby in SA is not massively bigger than in NZ and Australia. There is a large proportion of people there that don't give two hoots about rugby. I would be disappointed if they split off and left us in the lurch totally, but in all honesty I can't really see a cross hemisphere competition working all that well.
 

whatty

Bob Loudon (25)
Immigrants trying to justifying why they left SA :) normally a long way from the truth I can assure you...

Its also a lot bigger population even with a large segment of the population "not giving two hoots" as you call it and no competition from league etc.

Average viewing audience is around 800K for a BIG (Not RWC) game in NZ average 350K for a average super 15 game. 6 x that on Supersport. Aussie is half that again.
 

liquor box

Peter Sullivan (51)
I dont see the SA team leaving us out, they would probably try to compete in both europe and sanzar+a. This way they get the money from both sources and can move one team to europe and replace this europe team with another S15 team (they wanted 6 teams anyway).
Ultimately there is very little we can do to stop them but we should refocus on developing japan and the pac islands to create a Australasian competition
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
I'm not so sure that NH would be that keen, seasons would foul it up to start with, be a bit hot to play rugby in SA in Nov-Feb when NH season is in full swing wouldn't it? That said someone may have plans, but have always been under impression SA fans would prefer to playing against NZ teams, though I maybe wrong, there is a first time for everything:lmao:
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Hope this one comes off to save our CC. Knew the shite marathon S1000 needs to be challenged. Night rugby in SA summer will be a huge success like the Varsity Cup showed. We had more at the CC final compare to the WC final.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
This whole thing stinks of the way football (soccer) teams do business. The same happened with the football premier league. Clubs wanted more money so they broke away from the governing body and made their own league. Since then only the super rich clubs have any chance of winning anything.

The beauty about the HEC is that almost any of the 4 teams in each pool has a chance to qualify, then once you're in the last 8 you've got a real chance of winning the whole thing if you hit form at the right time.

We're already seeing a soccer style growing of club power where some of the best players from the tier 2 nations at the RWC didn't go due to club commitments.

Unfortunately it's one of the problems with growing the sport. As fans we envisage people all over the world supporting thier local nation and teams in a variety of exciting and entertaining competitions. But making the game more popular also makes it more attractive to money men who's idea of growing the game is to have one competition that will make them the most money and beyond that care very little for the wider game.
 
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Blob

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If this were to happen I would hope we wouldn't play them in any rugby at all. It would be total betrayal.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
The market for Rugby in SA is not massively bigger than in NZ and Australia. There is a large proportion of people there that don't give two hoots about rugby. I would be disappointed if they split off and left us in the lurch totally, but in all honesty I can't really see a cross hemisphere competition working all that well.

You should read more.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
If this were to happen I would hope we wouldn't play them in any rugby at all. It would be total betrayal.

There have been regular calls on this and other forums for Aus and NZ to go it alone with the PI teams. I take you would be happy in that case that neither team ever play SA again for such awful betrayal. A bit over the top?

I think eventually SANZAR will disband. Economics will dictate.

For now with the new 4N, TC contracts sewn up etc there is little to no chance of any changes in the next few years.
 
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