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Nathan Sharpe (72)
How are the Tahs top heavy?
Australian Rugby / RA
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
If he can’t get starts, sure. Force outside backs are dross
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
True, but can anyone actually point out anything positive Waugh, Herbert or Horne have dove?
they seem to be just as incompetent as McClennan but seem to be Teflon
I would say navigating the collapse of the Rebels without it bringing down Rugby Australia is probably the key item.
Mostly it's the absence of drama emanating from head office. The disasters have all been on-field.
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Simon Poidevin (60)
Horne chaired the committee that included Waugh and Herbert, that found and then appointed Joe Schmidt.
Waugh signed off on it all
It was, at least, a better decision than the previous one.
I think Hammer has them beat for that metric with his version of Jonestown.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Well done for unearthing the unknown Joe Schmidt. I wonder how they found such an under the radar coach. You’d have to be Sherlock Holmes
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Yeah but it’s a fight to the bottom between them
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Jason Little (69)
Can anybody clarify the roles of RA and the two franchises now in the centralised structure, Tahs and Brumbies, for recruitment and contract negotiation and administration. I thought both recruitment and contracting were RA responsibilities, but maybe only contracting? In any case, if RA have a big say, perhaps veto, over contracts then in practice don't they also control recruitment in these two franchises?
Whatever, I think they've done about the best job in the circumstances in the contracting field with essentially the ex-Rebels contracted players having one year tenures where they've landed (though not for the Reds obviously). It's the recruitment area that looks to be very one-sided atm. Is there an aura of favouritism being shown to one team over the other(s) for 2025?
Whatever, I think they've done about the best job in the circumstances in the contracting field with essentially the ex-Rebels contracted players having one year tenures where they've landed (though not for the Reds obviously). It's the recruitment area that looks to be very one-sided atm. Is there an aura of favouritism being shown to one team over the other(s) for 2025?
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Yeah but it’s also an assumption that he would have handled it worse
Seems there is still a fair amount of drama, just that the current leaders are a bit cozier with journos
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
RA are responsible for the playing roster at both teams, which would include recruitment.
The Brumbies and Waratahs pro teams aren't really separate independent franchises anymore. They both report up through Peter Horne now.
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Rod McCall (65)
Dont think this is entirely accurate, both ownership structures are different but the Brumbies are now governed by a new entity with ACT&SNSWRU, RA and RUPA representation on the board. It’s still a board decision for governance of the club with existing staff and ‘rugby operations’ transferred into the new entity.
Waratahs from what i understand, handed over the entire operation to RA And sits directly within RA now.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
Both teams/entities are now owned and controlled by RA though right? Even if there's a board on top of Brumbies (is the chair RA appointed?)
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
Owned yes, doesn’t mean they’ve taken control of all decision making and roles though, exsisting high performance roles and staff were transferred into a new Brumbies entity with board representation from those 3 groups mentioned above.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
For what it's worth, this is what the Brumbies press release said about it
Dismal Pillock
Michael Lynagh (62)
Moobies?
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David Codey (61)
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John Eales (66)
I don't think the current board would be categorised as outstanding, but I don't think they have been disastrous either. Australian Rugby is in a shambles and borderline broke, and consequently some tough decisions have/had to be made. Obviously the toughest of these so far was the Rebels, but I don't think you could definitively say other adminstrators would have done anything different, given the $20m black hole that came with it.
It seems that the criteria of a successful administration to some here is to fix Australian Rugby within 3 months, otherwise they have failed and need to be moved on. The current lot are at least making some broad decisions in the right direction e.g. centralisation, but the main game is going to take time and money. The money will come from the BIL tour and then the home World Cups, it's what they then do with it that will then define them, but barring some outrageous carry-ons in between now and then we just need a bit of stability and leadership.
It seems that the criteria of a successful administration to some here is to fix Australian Rugby within 3 months, otherwise they have failed and need to be moved on. The current lot are at least making some broad decisions in the right direction e.g. centralisation, but the main game is going to take time and money. The money will come from the BIL tour and then the home World Cups, it's what they then do with it that will then define them, but barring some outrageous carry-ons in between now and then we just need a bit of stability and leadership.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
And even the best scenario gives them a small surplus come the beginning of 2028. So if they don't then replace Super Rugby and use that capital and whatever they can scrape up with private money to start a domestic competition, then the game deserves to completely disappear down a big fucking black hole in this country.
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John Eales (66)
I don't disagree with that, it should be more than a small surplus though, it should be substantial. I sense there are things going on behind the scenes along these lines but they need the money to commit to whatever the plans are, notwithstanding honouring current contractual obligations as well.