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I have. I’ve also been to a junior rugby game. What is the relevance of that to overall player numbers?Have you ever been to a local junior rugby league game? Junior numbers are massive.
I have. I’ve also been to a junior rugby game. What is the relevance of that to overall player numbers?Have you ever been to a local junior rugby league game? Junior numbers are massive.
Outside the premier clubs in Brisbane and Sydney there isn’t many rugby clubs that would remotely come close to what junior rugby league clubs are offering in terms of juniors. My local rugby competition in qld has had to combine 2 years worth of players to have sufficient numbers to put a team out, meanwhile my kids this year have decided to play league. Every grade has essentially 2 teams per age grade.I have. I’ve also been to a junior rugby game. What is the relevance of that to overall player numbers?
It’s certainly not the case in my local comp, and I’m outside Sydney. I did say there were exceptions, yours is obviously one, and there would be others. Also, I’m not necessarily saying there are a lot more rugby players than jail rugby players at the community levels, and maybe there aren’t even more at all. It’s nowhere near 1.8x though, let alone 10x.Outside the premier clubs in Brisbane and Sydney there isn’t many rugby clubs that would remotely come close to what junior rugby league clubs are offering in terms of juniors. My local rugby competition in qld has had to combine 2 years worth of players to have sufficient numbers to put a team out, meanwhile my kids this year have decided to play league. Every grade has essentially 2 teams per age grade.
I agree rugby has a monopoly on senior numbers but these numbers don’t come enough to accommodate the massive juniors league has.
x10 is ridiculous whoever said that. But personally would be shocked if it wasn’t x2It’s certainly not the case in my local comp, and I’m outside Sydney. I did say there were exceptions, yours is obviously one, and there would be others. Also, I’m not necessarily saying there are a lot more rugby players than jail rugby players at the community levels, and maybe there aren’t even more at all. It’s nowhere near 1.8x though, let alone 10x.
Even the numbers I’m disputing don’t have it as x2, it’s x1.8. You seem to be talking about juniors only and excluding the Sydney and Queensland premier rugby zones for that even, so you’re removing a large proportion of the pool and creating a biased population. I’m talking total participants v total participants.x10 is ridiculous whoever said that. But personally would be shocked if it wasn’t x2
This is fairly common across all sports that I’ve been involved in.My local rugby competition in qld has had to combine 2 years worth of players to have sufficient numbers to put a team out,
Never seen it in my local area. I grew up playing the same comp and we never had to combine with the age grade above or below to have sufficient numbers. My kids also play basketball and cricket and definitely isn’t happening in those sports and isn’t happening this year in league.This is fairly common across all sports that I’ve been involved in.
That's due the system. In the NFL there are only 1,600 professional athletes in a country of 300 million. That's cause if you have 25 years and you aren't in the system, you don't have a spot. It's cruel.The one place Rugby has it over League is the Amature Senior comp. In league it is almost non-existent. I played 1 year of Jail rugby out of school in the local C grade (essentially U19 colts) side and it sucked. The subbies system although flawed is much better.
Happened to me in a couple of years junior rugbyNever seen it in my local area. I grew up playing the same comp and we never had to combine with the age grade above or below to have sufficient numbers. My kids also play basketball and cricket and definitely isn’t happening in those sports and isn’t happening this year in league.
So fairly uncommon as far as I’m concerned
Sam Greene? - Regular 10/15 playing in Japan for last few. Wonder if he's playing for his 5 year residency though.Whilst none a world beaters (yet) this is a pretty reaching take.
I think the environment and players around hurt 10s more than their own ability.
Noah
Donaldson
Lynagh
All proven Super Rugby starters
HMP
Bowen
Good prospects
Quade
Foley
Lealifano
JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor)
Test Vets still floating around
Creighton
Edmed
Burey
Jack Deb
Super Rugby able
Harrison
Lucas
International based but huge potential
Was going to say. Rugby gets our numbers inflated due to the social aspect of the game in many places. League don't do this. You might get a few in country areas have an occasional run in reserve grade but its very rare.The one place Rugby has it over League is the Amature Senior comp. In league it is almost non-existent. I played 1 year of Jail rugby out of school in the local C grade (essentially U19 colts) side and it sucked. The subbies system although flawed is much better.
Good shout. There's even been guys who are probably a bit old now but went to the MLR like Sam Windsor who given the right set up would have made a Super Rugby squad.Sam Greene? - Regular 10/15 playing in Japan for last few. Wonder if he's playing for his 5 year residency though.
Not true Marge, one of the benefits of rugby is that it doesn’t have to be that brutal (and you don’t have to be that fit). Whereas league is just hard/ tough work.That's due the system. In the NFL there are only 1,600 professional athletes in a country of 300 million. That's cause if you have 25 years and you aren't in the system, you don't have a spot. It's cruel.
The Shute Shield players and other should be professionals, in a perfect world. They aren't cause there are not enough funds, sponsorship, viewership
I work for a company here in Aus and NZ that collects data on so much stuff. Here is what I found when looking at it. (I can’t give direct numbers as would potentially be in breach).Was going to say. Rugby gets our numbers inflated due to the social aspect of the game in many places. League don't do this. You might get a few in country areas have an occasional run in reserve grade but its very rare.
It's almost all about getting some cash and trying to push further with it. Even Country A graders want to get a NSW Cup gig or metro cup gig.
There are more guys playing at what you would call semi pro/elite adjacent then Rugby. Less exposed when they get to the NRL unlike our guys appearing in Super Rugby and being punched in the face by the increase in speed.
Good shout. There's even been guys who are probably a bit old now but went to the MLR like Sam Windsor who given the right set up would have made a Super Rugby squad.
I think there is an element of validity to that reading but my perception is that AFL and soccer have been more successful in NSW which eats the lunch of both Rugby and League but especially League. Rugby only competes with League in QLD. At least my perception.I guess that explains why my perception was different to what was being reported - the big difference is in Qld, I had my blue goggles on.
My response re the Petaia/NFL chatter. I believe the NFL scouts have a lot more idea of what they are looking for than any of us.
depends on the definition. He will make a team, participate in preseason.
If Val Holmes and Hayne can find their way into a squad of 53. Petaia being a international rugby player certainly is a chance
Yeah Mailata was probably too big and would have lacked the ability to maintain leg speed for an entire NRL game. They got him at the right age to let him develop and train him in technique. He probably could have played Rugby as an 8 but would have needed his interest.Arguably the International Pathway Program is as much about creating overseas interest in the NFL than it is about uncovering players. If they weren't additional to the rest of the squad none of these players would be close at the point they are signed.
Neither of them made a 53 man roster. They were kept outside that as practice squad members.
Val Holmes was trying to play wide receiver which is very difficult without a background in the sport.
I think running back is the only logical position for NRL/rugby athletes to try and play but likewise I don't think any of them are really likely to make it.
The massive units trying to play O Line like Jordan Mailata might happen a bit more but that was a three year project. I think more teams will invest in that sort of path because the potential payoff is huge but there are also very few guys like that. Will Skelton has the frame but then you need that guy to head to the US before they've really started into their career because they need to be young to have a chance at succeeding with the conversion.
I think Mailata was ideal in the sense that he was obviously an excellent athlete but was likewise a bit big to really succeed in league.