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Jim Clark (26)
Taps isn't injured he was playing club footy last Sat.
2012 Rugby Championship Game 1 Australia vs New Zealand - 18 August
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Chilla Wilson (44)
We can all play along
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Tony Shaw (54)
I would put Taps in the returning from injury category.
Simmons is on the bench so he wouldn't belong in the 3rd category either.
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Jimmy Flynn (14)
Timani will get found out .
Richo
John Thornett (49)
Not sure if you're confusing "squad" and "match day 22", but Simmons is in both, while Douglas and Alexander are in the 30-man squad.
White, while in the 30-man squad, is apparently scheduled for shoulder surgery and was thus not really likely to get selected, except for the bench if Phipps or Genia went down at training (that's my understanding).
Richo
John Thornett (49)
See what I did? Still doesn't make it so.
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John Hipwell (52)
Remind me who was at 10 when this happened?
Just after we watch the video interview with Deans a few pages back telling us how last year the backline looked as good as it ever has while he has been in charge he goes and drops the chief playmaker. Who does he think runs the backline - the 9 or 12?
I don't think Deans knows what he wants from this side or has a clue how to beat the AB's. A coach dropping the playmaker who was at 10 when he claims his backline was at its best, then bemoans 'x-factor' players that offer nothing of substance. What the fuck is he on?
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Paradox
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Burst out laughing when I saw the starting lineup...in a kind of maniacal fashion. This side "seems" to be picked to win games by penalties. Tough defense (in theory), Barnes to kick the corners, and Oz to win their set piece whilst also attempting to put New Zealand's under pressure. However, Deans has selected TPN whose throwing is still suspect and in doing so has overlooked the best set piece hooker in the country in Moore. One of many baffling decisions by Deans. Big mistake not to pick Quade (and put Barnes to 12 and A Finger/Taps to 13). If there are defensive issues with the NZ centre pairing, Quade would have been the man to exploit them. Mitchell's selection on the bench puts to rest any theories about Deans not selecting players due to match fitness concerns.
Deans has had this side in training for a long time. No excuses. I'll be amazed if we win this against an incredibly explosive All Black side. The Genia, Ioane and Beale combo needs to be its absolute best.
Deans has had this side in training for a long time. No excuses. I'll be amazed if we win this against an incredibly explosive All Black side. The Genia, Ioane and Beale combo needs to be its absolute best.
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Quade Cheapshot
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Sat, 17 Sep 2011 AUS v IRE 6-15 0:0 0-4 Eden Park, Auckland
Sat, 26 Jun 2010 AUS v IRE 22-15 2:0 4-1 Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
Sun, 15 Nov 2009 AUS v IRE 20-20 2:2 2-2 Croke Park, Dublin
Sat, 14 Jun 2008 AUS v IRE 18-12 2:2 4-1 Colonial Stadium, Melbourne
Sun, 19 Nov 2006 AUS v IRE 6-21 0:2 0-4 Lansdowne Rd, Dublin
Played 5 Wow 2 Drawn 1 Lost 2.
See what I just did there? Showed that it is in fact, actually so.
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John Solomon (38)
Yeah, for all Quades faults and failures, the cupboard is pretty bare in 3N without him at 10.
Anyway, RD has set the scene to roll him back in after we take a heap of punches in round 1.
The injury to McCabe opened the door to bring Cooper back in at 10 and move Barnes to 12, but the 3-0 win against Wales and the absence of Cooper in that series as he was coming back from injury was always going to mean that Barnes was ahead of Cooper on the current pecking order.
From a rational/defendable position as far as Deans and the rest of the ARU management go, it makes more sense to pick the player that worked most recently than put Cooper back in and then face the prospect of returning to Barnes if Cooper didn't work out.
If Cooper hadn't been injured for the first half of the year there is no doubt he'd have played 10 in all those tests and be the 10 for the Rugby Championship.
From a rational/defendable position as far as Deans and the rest of the ARU management go, it makes more sense to pick the player that worked most recently than put Cooper back in and then face the prospect of returning to Barnes if Cooper didn't work out.
If Cooper hadn't been injured for the first half of the year there is no doubt he'd have played 10 in all those tests and be the 10 for the Rugby Championship.
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Worldcupnut
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Wow, 1st time that I've looked at line up. 8 Waratahs in the starting 15! Weren't they roundly criticised for being pathetic this year? Did I miss something? Is Dwyer the Wallabies coach again?? Also, does anyone know who the Match Officials are? It's incredibly difficult to locate that information.
Alain Rolland is referee with Owens and Van Der Merwe Assistant Referees and Goddard the TMO.
http://www.irb.com/mm/Document/Trai...621TOTheRugbyChampionship2012Appointments.pdf
The match officials for the entire TRC have been named.
http://www.irb.com/mm/Document/Trai...621TOTheRugbyChampionship2012Appointments.pdf
The match officials for the entire TRC have been named.
Richo
John Thornett (49)
And New Zealand is 4-2 against France in the same time period, and almost made that 3-3 in Auckland last year. It doesn't mean France is almost as good.
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John Eales (66)
Quite right. I'm worried that we'll offer nothing in attack this weekend as a result of not picking Cooper. Maybe after the RWC last year Deans has binned him as a starter forever more.
Richo
John Thornett (49)
In that case he should have binned two-thirds of the team!
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
In other words, not playing to the strengths of Australian rugby and its playing group. I'll be astonished if we pull this off on the weekend.
Swat
Chilla Wilson (44)
• AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is too versatile and too classy to be left out of the squad, deserves his starting spot.
• Rob Horne, while not being everyone's favourite, has held the 13 jersey for a while now and actually brings a bit of stability to the backline (given that we've just lost our inside centre)
• Berrick barnes deserves to be in the squad, at 10 or 12 given recent performances in the internationals
• Dennis deserves to start given recent form and consistency
• Timani IMO doesn't have a work rate worthy of starting so I'll give you that one.
• Kepu deserves to be there
• TPN and Moore are reasonably interchangeable, TPN starts, smashes some bodies and then Moore comes on or Moore starts and TPN makes a few bullocking runs in the last 20. Although given the way Deans uses his bench, we're probably better off having TPN knock himself out around the 60 minute mark allowing Moore to run on.
• Robinson - deserves his spot.
Yes! 8 Waratahs in the starting 15. However really only Timani and possibly Horne (although his often preferred replacement is filling in at inside centre so not really) are debatable with any sort of integrity.
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Jimmy Flynn (14)
Isn't this the type of tactics that didn't work for us against the All Blacks in the RWC. I am not saying it won't work this time, in fact, it possibly could, probably won't, but with the Wallabies riding their wave from the Wales series using similar tactics, this is the best chance of these tactics ever working for us against the All Blacks. If our forwards step up like the Irish did in Game 2, there is a chance we could win this game, using those tactics. Deans' game plan and backline selection is all based on our forwards, dominating the scrum, lineouts and breakdown and using defence as a form of attack. Big call, as it is rare for our forwards to dominate for more than 40 minutes. The problem is, if our defence isn't up to the task, we don't really have anything to fall back on to launch attacking play from. Our hopes ride on Defence, Counter Attack and penalties.
I couldn't agree more regarding Cooper. If ever there was a player who could put a new pairing at sixes and sevens it is Cooper. Not only through his footwork and taking on the line, but also his accurate short and long range passing. He is the only player in Australia who can create space through his passing, especially with his long cut out passes. Cooper's accurate passing was sorely missed in the series against Wales.
Not only Mitchell's selection, but also the fact he incluuded Samo on the bench, despite Samo missing most of the season due to poor fitness and when he was selected played from the bench. He also didn't seem to have any qualms about rushing an under done Belae back into the side for the 3rd test, just like he will have no qualms about selecting McCabe and O'Connor in the 22 when they return.
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Quade Cheapshot
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Actually NZ are 8-2 over the same time period but again, don't let the facts get in the way.
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