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Two things which nobody could ever accuse the ARU of having.

I'm not sure why you are bringing the Gold Coast into a discussion about expansion into non-traditional markets (or the Cowboys for that matter). The Gold Coast is a sporting graveyard, but it's in a traditional rugby league state (as are the Cowboys). You're entitled to your opinion on the...

The final test of any of this and the only measureble factor is success or failure on the field. Swans and Storm successful in end regardless of what mistakes may or may not have been made in the process.

^^^I think it's fairly clear that the prime reason for the ARU bringing in the Force and the Rebels was not a master plan to expand the game and have 5 equally funded and eventually equally performing franchises. The aim was more to have a couple of places to warehouse players, but to never...

I don't really like the fact that there are Marlins players on either side and there don't seem to be many Rats players in the Rays as a number are with the Eagles. Not really the way for the Rays in particular or the NRC in general to build any tribalism. Turner needs to learn to carry the...

That's right, outliers in the years, but the trend isn't good. 2014 should have been a good year with Waratahs winning and a full programme of tests, but the numbers are really low.

Both. If you go to the website and click on the highest crowd for each year, it will be a test match.

average rugby crowds in Australia since 2003: Year - average crowd 2003 - 34,793 2004 - 29,184 2005 - 28,552 2006 - 22,609 2007 - 14,118 2008 - 26,827 2009 - 21,341 2010 - 22,622 2011 - 20,130 2012 - 22,360 2013 - 22,654 2014 - 12,218 2015 - 16,841 2016 - 18,818 2017 - 13,297...

These guys are actually contemptuous of most sections of the rugby community. You guys just happen to have felt the sting this time. Don't think that they wouldn't hesitate to stick it to anyone else as long as their own positions were preserved.

Best one of those I've ever seen.:)

We're in competition with all of them, the other three codes get it, we still don't. EDIT: And if we really and truly only want to compete with ourselves, let's look at average rugby crowds in Australia since 2003: Year - average crowd 2003 - 34,793 2004 - 29,184 2005 - 28,552 2006 -...

I'm sure that they would have been there, but with the "in-circle" of cronies telling each other what a fantastic job they are all doing, and they had to can the Force and nothing is their fault, etc, etc, etc.

Bill, Cameron, keep up the good work Crowd figures: Roosters v Broncos - 21,212 Manly v Penrith - 15,203 Melbourne v Parra - 22,626 Richmond v Geelong - 95,028 Adelaide v Giants - 52,805 Swans v Essendon - 46,323 Wallabies v Springboks - 17,528 Socceroos v Thailand - 26,393

Crowd figures: Roosters v Broncos - 21,212 Manly v Penrith - 15,203 Melbourne v Parra - 22,626 Richmond v Geelong - 95,028 Adelaide v Giants - 52,805 Swans v Essendon - 46,323 Wallabies v Springboks - 17,528 Socceroos v Thailand - 26,393

RWA and the Force made a critical and now fatal error in linking formally with the ARU and placing any trust in the ability of the ARU to do anything properly and/or to act in good faith. Pulver said the alliance will be managed effectively in order to maintain the Western Force’s unique...

You probably can't accept it, because it's not what I said at all. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't deliberately and knowingly misrepresent me in order to set up a straw man. So, let me make it chrystal clear. This whole thread is about administration, I was talking about...

Never get between a grandstanding senator and a TV camera. The presence of Sam Dastyari on the committee should get things going.

There are still some posters who yearn for the status quo and the established order to prevail. Whether it's called the Sydney Stars or the Nukalofa Heilalas, The Apia Sea Turtles, or anything else - professional rugby players will play if the money is right and the conditions are acceptable...

That's before you even get to various ARU, NSWRU, QRU board members serving together on a selection of major company boards. All on the corporate roundabout recommending each other for sinecures.