Will Cooper play for the Reds in 2013?

[Scoey]

I'm not glorifying him or what he did. Just saying that it's equally stupid to stay silent when there's a problem with your organisation as it is to speak out inappropriately. We'll never know what issues, if any, he raised behind closed doors. Same as we'll never know if he's alone with these grievances or they are shared by the majority of the team.

I don't think it's right to glorify what he did, but I also don't think it's right to crucify him either.

 

[No4918]

I don't think being the villain works for Quade at all. He set himself up to be the villain prior to the RWC with the Richie McCaw niggle and it backfired on him completely. Hard to say whether this was intentional or not but it sure didn't work for him.

He became the villain again this year with the twitter posts and his comments on The Rugby Club and you'd have to say it has failed him again. None of what has transpired since has really gone in his favour.

I think he is always going to be a bit of a controversial character but I definitely think things go better for him when he doesn't put increased pressure and focus on himself by playing the villain.

On the one hand he does come out regularly and play the villain as you suggest. On the other we have the press and people around him say he does best when he feels supported, respected and people get behind him. He does not seem to realise you can't have it both ways.

 

[Braveheart81]

This is where having Khoder Nasser as his manager is the worst decision he has made.

All of Khoder Nasser's clients have cast themselves as villains.

Quade would be far better with a manager that corralled him into keeping a low profile and ensuring as much of the media coverage as possible surrounding him was positive.

Who knows how well things would have turned out for him if his public image was just one of a nice, softly spoken bloke who liked hanging out with the fans and signing autographs for the kids?

 

[I like to watch]

It comes back to the fact that we don't know if or for how long he had been raising his issues within the ARU. We have no idea and we'll probably never know. To say they wouldn't hear a word form you is just as bad. I would hate it if I was running an organisation knowing that every bloke in the joint was a yes man that didn't want to rock the boat.

Staying silent when you feel there's a problem is every bit as bad as speaking out inappropriately.

That's bullshit. had he raised it through the correct channels previously, he would have outlined his actions and their response or lack of response to his concerns repeatedly over the past month.
But he didn't, he threw his toys out of the cot, and turned his phone off like a petulant brat.

Interesting how the 3 year deal is off the table,and all commentary is whether he might sign on for a single season next year.

Seems to me that in a funny way this could very well work out better for Quade. I guess whistle blowing has some advantages?

Funny that.

 

[Wheatman]

I just want him to play for the Reds at the start of season because when I drive the 3.5 hours one way to see a match I know the brand of rugby we play, and I'll enjoy it when he's there. To me, it looks as though the others around him back themselves more when he's on the field. With most the Reds backs now having Wobs experience, it should really come together with Quade guiding it (if the forwards are close to parity).

I'm going to wait and see what happens closer to the start of the season with the contracts - I will be one of the many upset Reds fans if ARU won't allow him to play.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

It comes back to the fact that we don't know if or for how long he had been raising his issues within the ARU. We have no idea and we'll probably never know. To say they wouldn't hear a word form you is just as bad. I would hate it if I was running an organisation knowing that every bloke in the joint was a yes man that didn't want to rock the boat.

Staying silent when you feel there's a problem is every bit as bad as speaking out inappropriately.

There are ways and means of dealing with these issues in a team environment which do not include public critiques of team culture or the performance of team members.
As merely one member of the team QC (Quade Cooper) had no greater right than any other team member to express his views.
The other members of the team can ignore any issue he raised if they wish and, acting consistently with team protocols, thats just the way it goes.
I'm not suggesting he should not raise his issues but only with those inside the tent.
If you cannot cop it any more leave the team and then criticise publicly - but not before you have resigned/quit or whatever you do.
You cannot have team members freelancing publicly with their personal views about the team because it leads to anarchy.
On here we are not bound by the rules that bind teams because we are not members of that team. My post was really a smart arsed way of saying that if I were in the team I wouldn't be posting on here because that would be contrary to the interests of the team as a team.

 

[Scoey]

That's bullshit. had he raised it through the correct channels previously, he would have outlined his actions and their response or lack of response to his concerns repeatedly over the past month.
But he didn't, he threw his toys out of the cot, and turned his phone off like a petulant brat.

Bullshit? So you can prove that he didn't raise these issues behind closed doors? Didn't think so. Give me a break.

 

[TOCC]

I don't think being the villain works for Quade at all. He set himself up to be the villain prior to the RWC with the Richie McCaw niggle and it backfired on him completely. Hard to say whether this was intentional or not but it sure didn't work for him.

He became the villain again this year with the twitter posts and his comments on The Rugby Club and you'd have to say it has failed him again. None of what has transpired since has really gone in his favour.

I think he is always going to be a bit of a controversial character but I definitely think things go better for him when he doesn't put increased pressure and focus on himself by playing the villain.

I wasn't talking about it from the perspective of a player, that obviously backfired for him.... rather how's it's perceived by the fans...

The AB's and the RWC is a prime example, kiwi fans were jeered him and loved every moment of it... Villains are good for the game as they generate headlines and attract interest..

 

[Braveheart81]

Bullshit? So you can prove that he didn't raise these issues behind closed doors? Didn't think so. Give me a break.

If he had done that, you don't think he would have shouted that from the rooftops amongst all his public comments?

Being able to support his public comments by saying that he did all the right things to raise his concerns behind closed doors would have been the single greatest thing he could have done to maintain support from his teammates and the public.

 

[I like to watch]

Bullshit? So you can prove that he didn't raise these issues behind closed doors? Didn't think so. Give me a break.

Now you are being silly.Why don't you prove that he did?
Had he brought up issues privately, it would have been a very poor reflection on the ARU.
In the presser the other day, they went out of their way to be critical of the ARU, but yet made no mention of any such communications?I don't like Nasser, but he is no fool. he would not have passed up that sort of opportunity.

This thread is no different to when he knocked off the laptop.
There has been a general suspension of reality.That time,some posters were actually saying AFTER he admitted guilt and entered Justice mediation, that he was the victim as he couldn't clear his name due to the mediation process being confidential!
I'm waiting for someone to compare Quade with Aung San Suu Kyi, it's got that stupid.

 

[No4918]

I just want him to play for the Reds at the start of season because when I drive the 3.5 hours one way to see a match I know the brand of rugby we play, and I'll enjoy it when he's there. To me, it looks as though the others around him back themselves more when he's on the field. With most the Reds backs now having Wobs experience, it should really come together with Quade guiding it (if the forwards are close to parity).

I'm going to wait and see what happens closer to the start of the season with the contracts - I will be one of the many upset Reds fans if ARU won't allow him to play.

I find it difficult to believe the ARU will not allow him to play. If Cooper isn't there next year it's because he does not want to be. All this crap so far has been about QC (Quade Cooper) wanting to box and not being able to do that while contracted.

It is unlikely he will find a better offer than the Reds by February. He may have a contract from France or Japan but this would still allow him to play the Super Rugby season. If he goes to box, approaches the Reds the next day asking where to sign the ARU would be opening a whole can of worms by not, at the very least, ratifying his contract and allowing him to play. He then has the option to play for the Wallabies or piss off. I'm of the opinion he will be using the next couple of months to have a very good look at his options overseas.

He will probably have a very good idea who the Wallabies coach will be from 2014 by the end of next season. If the ARU make it known they will be interviewing and Deans can re-apply i believe he will stick around. If as happened last time (Deans is handed the job on a platter) the chances of his staying are small. He may even be smart enough to sign overseas with a get out clause depending on the future of the Wallaby coach.

 

[Sully]

You know as much about the laptop as anyone else. For all we know he went to mediation as the easiest option. It wouldn't be the first time someone did it to just get it out the way. Until he actually says 'I took the laptop' we just don't know.


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[Richo]

I don't think it's right to glorify what he did, but I also don't think it's right to crucify him either.

As others have pointed out, there is no available evidence that his Saturday night tweets were a last resort, a cry for freedom from within the ARU gulag. All we have is what Cooper himself has said publicly and what the ARU has said publicly. In all of this, there has been no mention of Cooper raising his concerns through all the available avenues within the organization before going public.

Given all that, it's pretty fair that he be held to account for what he has said and done. I think you really have to twist things around a lot to make Cooper any sort of victim here.

 

[USARugger]

I don't think being the villain works for Quade at all. He set himself up to be the villain prior to the RWC with the Richie McCaw niggle and it backfired on him completely. Hard to say whether this was intentional or not but it sure didn't work for him.

He became the villain again this year with the twitter posts and his comments on The Rugby Club and you'd have to say it has failed him again. None of what has transpired since has really gone in his favour.

I think he is always going to be a bit of a controversial character but I definitely think things go better for him when he doesn't put increased pressure and focus on himself by playing the villain.

You have to remember that "villain" is all a matter of perspective through. From my own personal sofa, the niggles and strife with McCaw was a bit cheeky and entertaining but that was about it. Obvious the perspective of those in NZ is quite different. Perhaps QC (Quade Cooper) is frustrated because of the conflict between how he views his actions and how the general public and media view them?

I know I'd be damn frustrated about a few other things if I was him too. Namely Deans throwing him under the bus after the Argentina match. How many times did QC (Quade Cooper) attack the line, open up a hole and then look to see ZERO players running on either side of him? Clearly a skill issue on his part.

 

[Scoey]

Richo I'm not trying to glorify what he did. I'm not trying to paint Quade as a victim. I've stated this repeatedly. I'm simply making the point to those that would have him crucified/hung out to dry etc that they have very little knowledge on what has or hasn't transpired. This lack of information is being used as evidence by the knockers of his wrong doing yet if you suggest that the same lack of information is justification for questioning what may have happened then clearly you're an idiot and blinded by bias.

It can't be had both ways.

On one hand people say he's brainless and just goes off willy nilly saying whatever comes into his peanut brain but then the same people will have you believe that he is some sort of calculating genius in the way that he has attempted to mastermind all of this and how he would never miss an opportunity to score points against the ARU.

Again, it can't be had both ways.

Yes, I like Quade and I'm a big Reds fan. I am biased and I take that into account as best I can. But those that dislike Quade, and they are obvious, are also biased and often blinded every bit by their emotion yet they don't seem to see this.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I'm waiting for someone to compare Quade with Aung San Suu Kyi, it's got that stupid.

Who's she play for and what's she done this time?

 

[Richo]

Scoey, you're entitled to your view, of course, which is why I liked your post. The problem with your argument is that there is no further information. If there is more to the story of his pre-Tweet actions, there are very good reasons for Cooper to have made this public. Until there is clear evidence otherwise, we have to assume that Cooper did not pursue his concerns in a substantive way within the organisation. The ARU has said that he did not. Either they are lying -- and again, there is no indication that they are lying -- or Cooper didn't do so. The existing evidence does not look good for Cooper. This is why it's not a 50/50 matter for most people.

 

[chequebalance]

I guess we will all have to wait for his book to come out to hear the whole story, which I will think will be soon as to subsidies his boxing career until he can make it big in the states after a season as a greeter at the MGM Grand. Khoder to do the forward and feature a photo of him in the sleeve. The book to be titled "AR U Serious?"

Any other book name suggestions?

 

[Jets]

Does anyone have any idea of what type of coin he will make form the fight? You would have to think the figure must be quite big.

 

[I like to watch]

Whatever crumbs Khoder(the promoter of this fight) throws his way. He is on the undercard so not huge I would have thought.

I know Hopoate was on the undercard for Mundine a few years ago, and they paid him a table( they were selling VIP tables of 10 @ $1k per seat) so if he sold all the tickets at par he would have got $10k.

So he got either $10k, or a free night out for the kids.
I would be confident QC (Quade Cooper) will be on a bit more than that though.