Will Cooper play for the Reds in 2013?
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Scoey
Tony Shaw (54)
Why?
Richo
John Thornett (49)
So let me get this straight.
Quade signs a one year deal, has a rough RWC, gets hurt, comes back, gets hurt again. In between, he's displeased with his ARU contract offer, because a) it doesn't give him enough money, b) doesn't allow him a sabbatical, c) doesn't allow him to box. On top of that, he is (rightly or wrongly) frustrated with the way the Wallabies are being coached, goes on Twitter to say so, and follows up with a few more hits on The Rugby Club, including saying that he wouldn't play for the Wallabies if selected. The ARU fines him $60k ($20k suspended) and shortly thereafter retracts the contract that Cooper has refused to sign for months. Cooper gets offered a new contract, which may or may not be entirely incentives... although it also may or may not include a lower-than-expected guaranteed amount. Cooper and his intermediaries trash this offer in the media. Cooper then declares he only has plans to box, but would play for the Reds next year -- with whom is currently training.
And the proposition is that after he has his fight, he will sign a deal with the ARU that allows him to play for the Reds. Presumably this will be an incentive-only deal, i.e. the same kind of deal that all Super Rugby players sign. Or the ARU allows him to be signed as a marquee player. Either way, he then plays for the Reds in 2013, which takes him through to August or thereabouts, after which he can go to Japan or wherever.
I'm not saying anyone's logic is wrong, just that it's a pretty poor end result for QC (Quade Cooper). A lot of burnt bridges for not much gain. Given that he's coming back from a severe (and recurring) knee injury, it seems pretty foolish not to choose long-term security over short-term gain.
Quade signs a one year deal, has a rough RWC, gets hurt, comes back, gets hurt again. In between, he's displeased with his ARU contract offer, because a) it doesn't give him enough money, b) doesn't allow him a sabbatical, c) doesn't allow him to box. On top of that, he is (rightly or wrongly) frustrated with the way the Wallabies are being coached, goes on Twitter to say so, and follows up with a few more hits on The Rugby Club, including saying that he wouldn't play for the Wallabies if selected. The ARU fines him $60k ($20k suspended) and shortly thereafter retracts the contract that Cooper has refused to sign for months. Cooper gets offered a new contract, which may or may not be entirely incentives... although it also may or may not include a lower-than-expected guaranteed amount. Cooper and his intermediaries trash this offer in the media. Cooper then declares he only has plans to box, but would play for the Reds next year -- with whom is currently training.
And the proposition is that after he has his fight, he will sign a deal with the ARU that allows him to play for the Reds. Presumably this will be an incentive-only deal, i.e. the same kind of deal that all Super Rugby players sign. Or the ARU allows him to be signed as a marquee player. Either way, he then plays for the Reds in 2013, which takes him through to August or thereabouts, after which he can go to Japan or wherever.
I'm not saying anyone's logic is wrong, just that it's a pretty poor end result for QC (Quade Cooper). A lot of burnt bridges for not much gain. Given that he's coming back from a severe (and recurring) knee injury, it seems pretty foolish not to choose long-term security over short-term gain.
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Tony Shaw (54)
Has Pocock signed up yet? We should probably reject his contract if he doesn't sign up by 31 Dec too then.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Will do so upon return from the Spring Tour
Richo
John Thornett (49)
I would say that it's pretty clear that the ARU contracting process is a mess, as other threads have pointed out. It's also clear that there is simply less money in the kitty now, for many reasons, and this is probably making things slower with some of the senior players who have seen their incomes plateau, or even fall.
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Allen Oxlade (6)
i do not understand why quade is so underestimated. The reds IMO would of won super rugby for a second year straight if QC (Quade Cooper) had not got that 1 game suspension. When he is playing under a coach who does not have a super conservative game plan he is the best player in the world and there is no doubt in my mind that the ARU should offer him a legitimate contract even if he doesn't play for Australia he is the most exciting player in the world to watch behind only SBW it would be a shame to lose both of them
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Yep no doubt there at all!
It is what it is
John Solomon (38)
Shirley you can't be serious.
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
So the participants of the forum are safe to sit behind keyboards and share thoughts about Deans, Phipps, Wobs, Tah's QC (Quade Cooper) etc, and he shares his thoughts openly, thoughts in comparitive angles that quite a few people agree with and he is harpooooooned.
I agree the method and his wording / explanation could have been more appropriately structured but gee he is still young.
He has rare talents that I hope are not lost.
I saw Link on a documentary last year and he discussed how he changed his approach to get the most out of QC (Quade Cooper) - that year the Red won the tittle.
I hope he plays.
I agree the method and his wording / explanation could have been more appropriately structured but gee he is still young.
He has rare talents that I hope are not lost.
I saw Link on a documentary last year and he discussed how he changed his approach to get the most out of QC (Quade Cooper) - that year the Red won the tittle.
I hope he plays.
Mate, many sympathise with him, many want to see him stay in rugby, me included. But he is an adult, and he has some say and input into how this all plays out. The ARU have not been wonderful, but he is not the innocent victim in all this. He, and some of his team of advisers, don't make it easy to feel the love.
If we take all the opinion out of the internet, what do we have?
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Im of the opinion that Quade is currently the highest profile rugby union player in Australia..
Apart from players like Sailor and Tuqiri who were signed with an existing profile, i dont think there has been a Wallaby in recent history who has commanded headlines or garners as much media interest as Quade does.
He may be a villain/brat/wanka in some peoples eyes, but i don't necessarily think villains in our sport are a bad thing..
It builds interest in matches, it attracts headlines and increases the profile of the game.
I think it would be a dam shame to lose Quade, i understand why people want him gone and respect their opinions on the subject, but i hope he stays as his marketing value far exceeds any $400k salary he has been offered.
Apart from players like Sailor and Tuqiri who were signed with an existing profile, i dont think there has been a Wallaby in recent history who has commanded headlines or garners as much media interest as Quade does.
He may be a villain/brat/wanka in some peoples eyes, but i don't necessarily think villains in our sport are a bad thing..
It builds interest in matches, it attracts headlines and increases the profile of the game.
I think it would be a dam shame to lose Quade, i understand why people want him gone and respect their opinions on the subject, but i hope he stays as his marketing value far exceeds any $400k salary he has been offered.
I don't want him gone. But I don't feel he needs to be fawned over to make him stay. He is not so good, nor indispensable that he needs to be accommodated for every whim. He needs more head down, bum up, so to speak.
Not so much a villain, as a tad anserine.
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Billy Sheehan (19)
I know it has been said before, but I would like to put out the proposition one more time. Consider this:-
Link is coach of the Wobs.
Link ( ok it doesn't have to be Link) brings out the best in Cooper, KC, etc.
Link ( or anybody that can see the ability of players and works with that ) develops a game plan (shock horror) that involves the best attributes of his players.
Link ( or anyone who can work with the players and the management structure ) brings some coherence to the entire team and the hierachy.
Link (or anyone that can stop playing politics and put the game as we play it as the central focus ) brings the emphasis back to attacking rugby.
Link (or any decent coach) who will once again give us hope.
Quade will not play again under RD, and I get that, from both sides.
I want an enviroment where or good players are rewarded for being good players, in the position they play, with the way they play, with a game plan that suits our style of of play, and is devoid of petty politics.
It's called man management.
Give me someone who can achieve that. Please.
Link is coach of the Wobs.
Link ( ok it doesn't have to be Link) brings out the best in Cooper, KC, etc.
Link ( or anybody that can see the ability of players and works with that ) develops a game plan (shock horror) that involves the best attributes of his players.
Link ( or anyone who can work with the players and the management structure ) brings some coherence to the entire team and the hierachy.
Link (or anyone that can stop playing politics and put the game as we play it as the central focus ) brings the emphasis back to attacking rugby.
Link (or any decent coach) who will once again give us hope.
Quade will not play again under RD, and I get that, from both sides.
I want an enviroment where or good players are rewarded for being good players, in the position they play, with the way they play, with a game plan that suits our style of of play, and is devoid of petty politics.
It's called man management.
Give me someone who can achieve that. Please.
Richo
John Thornett (49)
Cooper is a very talented player with immense positives and some serious negatives. He is marketable because he's exciting, but also because he courts attention. Dating Steph Rice, for example, tends to give you a profile beyond the usual for the sport. Plus, his particular talents are incredibly exciting -- those long passes for the Reds, for example. But he isn't the best player in the world. He's not even close and never has been.
I totally agree he has substantial marketing value, almost certainly above the $400k price. But I also think he has a good chance of fading from memory once out of the Aussie limelight -- ie Japan or France.
Certainly it would be a shame to see him go, but I think he's exactly the wrong guy to teach that he can get whatever he wants from the game if he has a big enough tantrum.
I totally agree he has substantial marketing value, almost certainly above the $400k price. But I also think he has a good chance of fading from memory once out of the Aussie limelight -- ie Japan or France.
Certainly it would be a shame to see him go, but I think he's exactly the wrong guy to teach that he can get whatever he wants from the game if he has a big enough tantrum.
Fair enough, good points.
I just want to know if Link can work with the Sunshine Band.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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