Which oz players will retire or play overseas after rwc 2011

[farva]

Who are the guys we need to concentrate most on retaining post world cup - being that we would build a team around them in the long term.

For me, Pocock, O'Bieber, Genia, Slipper, Fatcat, Beale, Cooper, Simmons.

Who am I missing?

 

[Nusadan]

Purely from a young player's point of view, after already having played few seasons of Super rugby, like Pocock, I'd be keen to spend a couple of years in France or such just for a change of scenery and then come back refreshed for the subsequent RWC...and stay in Oz for several more years and perhaps contribute alot more to the Wallabies than it would have been the case had they stayed in Oz...

 

[wolverine]

Surely the more important issue than particular players leaving, is the ability of the ARU central ownership & contracting model to keep players in Australian Rugby. The current model will have to come under question, and the need for more private equity (especially at the Tahs) and an RFU EPS style model will have to be explored if Aus Rugby ranks aren't to be decimated.

 

[#1 Tah]

We need to keep TPN and Palu, they are our only game changing forwards with Pocock, Sharpe and Elsom ATM.

 

[qwerty51]

Who are the guys we need to concentrate most on retaining post world cup - being that we would build a team around them in the long term.

For me, Pocock, O'Bieber, Genia, Slipper, Fatcat, Beale, Cooper, Simmons.

Who am I missing?

TPN, Faingaas, Douglas, Horne, McCalman

 

[TOCC]

Nathan Sharpe

"I'm not looking to go overseas," Sharpe, 32, told The Australian yesterday. "I was toying with this season being my last but I still feel I have something to offer Australian rugby and I'd like to play at least one more year after this, with the Western Force ideally."

Stephen Moore

Moore was angered by a weekend report he had decided to quit the Wallabies at the end of the World Cup in October to join Racing Metro.

"It's incorrect," Moore told The Australian yesterday. "There has been nothing signed. I'm still negotiating, firstly with the ARU and then with a few clubs over in Europe. I spoke to the ARU in early January about the French offers and when we sat down they indicated their desire for me to stay.

Drew Mitchell

Mitchell, who has been linked most strongly to Biarritz but could yet be lured to Toulon, especially if close friend Matt Giteau chooses that club ahead of Bayonne, admitted negotiations were coming to a head but insisted nothing would be resolved within the next couple of days.

"I'm not under any sort of pressure to that extent," Mitchell said.

"I haven't spoken to the ARU yet but hopefully that will happen by the back end of the week and things will get a little bit clearer."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...is-off-to-france/story-e6frg7o6-1225993879766

 

[Slim 293]

Edmonds has definitely signed with Saracens now...

 

[fatprop]

I still wonder about the original article and what was the point. So here are a few scenarios over morning coffee ................

was git's manager trying to hide him from any negative press in a forest of leaving players?
was it journos told to do a follow up story to the gits story and being lied to?
was it bored RL journos making shit up?
was it a specific manager trying to get some more wages quickly?

 

[Bullrush]

We need to keep TPN and Palu, they are our only game changing forwards with Pocock, Sharpe and Elsom ATM.

Against NH Palu may be a game changer but he hasn't had the same impact against NZ and Aus.

Sharpe is solid but hardly a game changer IMO.

 

[fatprop]

Against NH Palu may be a game changer but he hasn't had the same impact against NZ and Aus.

Sharpe is solid but hardly a game changer IMO.

Palu game changer? maybe not. But he adds dominant tackling, number collecting running and soft hands at the back of the scrum - stuff Aus needs

Sharpe and Thorn to me were the form locks of the Tri Nations, Sharpe gets through a shed load of work in attack and defense and wins his lineouts, Aus would be much much crappier without him

 

[Gagger]

I still wonder about the original article and what was the point. So here are a few scenarios over morning coffee ................

was git's manager trying to hide him from any negative press in a forest of leaving players?
was it journos told to do a follow up story to the gits story and being lied to?
was it bored RL journos making shit up?
was it a specific manager trying to get some more wages quickly?

As I read it - a bunch of player agents need to put pressure on ARU outside of usual Aussie bargaining window as juicy NH offers need an answer soon. So they feed it to the Danny Weidler understudies. And hey presto.

The ARU know Gits is gone, the pressure will be around the 2015 crop.

Ironically it's got absolutely nothing to do with league, who couldn't afford any of these players

Can anyone confirm the french signing window?

 

[Brumbies Guy]

Edmonds joins Saracens as Wallabies plan on youth
BY CHRIS DUTTON RUGBY UNION
25 Jan, 2011 01:00 AM
The Wallabies' plan to blood young hookers after the World Cup in New Zealand convinced Huia Edmonds to quit the final year of his contract with the ACT Brumbies.

Edmonds confirmed yesterday he will leave Australia at the end of the year to start a two-year deal with English club Saracens.

The 29-year-old was keen to remain in Canberra until his contract with the Brumbies finished at the end of the 2012 Super Rugby season.

But after learning the Wallabies were keen to focus on developing younger players, Edmonds decided to use a get-out clause in his contract to take his career abroad.

And with an ''offer too good to resist'', Edmonds said he needed to look after his family.

''I had a few chats to people before I signed [with Saracens],'' he said.

''They [the Wallabies] were looking at younger front-row personnel after the World Cup so I think for me this is the right time to leave.

''I had a deadline and I was over that deadline to sign with Saracens.

''I didn't want to leave Canberra. But I have to do what's right for my family. You're only in the game for so long and you have to do all you can.''

Edmonds who made his Test debut for the Wallabies last year is the first player to announce he will leave the Brumbies at the end of the year.

But he doesn't want to leave Canberra empty handed and he is determined to help the team succeed before he moves to England.

The Brumbies begin their bid to return to the Super Rugby finals when they play the Waikato Chiefs at Canberra Stadium on February 19.

A shoulder injury prevented Edmonds from training yesterday.

However, he expects to be fit for the first round clash with the Chiefs.

Edmonds has been the Brumbies' back-up hooker since returning to the capital in 2008. And he's confident the team can win the Super Rugby title this year.

''I definitely want to leave on the right note,'' Edmonds said.

The Canberra junior is also keen to use his season with the Brumbies to increase his chances of playing in the World Cup in New Zealand in September and October.

He bolted into Robbie Deans's Wallabies squad last year and earned four Test caps. But with the Wallabies set to look towards a new generation of hookers after the World Cup, Edmonds reluctantly decided to move on.

''They've come up with a deal that is pretty much too good to resist,'' Edmonds said of Saracens.

''Because my [Brumbies] contract was until 2012, that's when I thought I was going to finish up in Australia.

''But I had good conversations with the club in London when I was there [on the Wallabies spring tour] and the way they play their footy suits my style of footy.''

BRUMBIES TRIALS

February 4: Vs Queensland Reds at Austar Park, Darwin, 9.10pm;

February 10: Vs Wellington Hurricanes at Viking Park 7.40pm.

 

[TheTruth]

I really hope that Moore and Sharpie stay. However it is hard to be overly critical of blokes chasing the big $$$$$ overseas, particularly towards the end of their playing careers. Maybe the ARU need to remunerate players likewise. everyone knows that it is about time they get their shit together or should I say, chase the large corporate $$$$.

 

[Bullrush]

Palu game changer? maybe not. But he adds dominant tackling, number collecting running and soft hands at the back of the scrum - stuff Aus needs

Sharpe and Thorn to me were the form locks of the Tri Nations, Sharpe gets through a shed load of work in attack and defense and wins his lineouts, Aus would be much much crappier without him

I'd argue that Palu doesn't do those things so much against NZ and SA which is why his average G&GR rating is only a 5 against Tri-Nations opponents.

Sharpe definitely adds a lot to the Wallabies but I think a game changer is someone who can do something out-of-the-box or extraordinary to turn a game around eg. Chritian Cullen, Kurtley Beale, Victor Matfield (that chip-and-chase try he scored this year was amazing). I've personally never seen Sharp do anything like that, especially at Test level.

 

[WB3]

Sharpe definitely adds a lot to the Wallabies but I think a game changer is someone who can do something out-of-the-box or extraordinary to turn a game around eg. Chritian Cullen, Kurtley Beale, Victor Matfield (that chip-and-chase try he scored this year was amazing). I've personally never seen Sharp do anything like that, especially at Test level.

Bit picky to ask that of a lock. A game-changing lock would be defined by most as getting through a lot of effective work. Dominant tackles, half breaks, consistently crossing the gain line and providing quick recycled ball. Its the platform that blokes that that lay that allows the backs to work in space.

 

[Ruggo]

I think that is what Bullrush was trying to say.

 

[Bullrush]

Bit picky to ask that of a lock. A game-changing lock would be defined by most as getting through a lot of effective work. Dominant tackles, half breaks, consistently crossing the gain line and providing quick recycled ball. Its the platform that blokes that that lay that allows the backs to work in space.

That's a good lock for my mind, not a game-changing one. Understand that it may be harder due to their position but it's not impossible eg Matlock's chip-and-chase or Eales Bledisloe Cup kick. If Sharpe had been on the field when they lost late line-outs in the Tri-Nations then maybe that would have been game changing but he wasn't. If he won balls against the throw at a crucial time then that's game changing (he may have actually done that this year but I can't remember), breaking 3-4 tackles to score a try, chasing a kick and making a crucial tackle, those are game changing.

Sharpe is solid. You know exactly what you'll get from him week-in, week-out. Good line-out ball, probably about 8-10 ball carries, safe defense and some scratchy scrummaging. Great lock and player but hardly game-changing.

 

[Gnostic]

Purely from a young player's point of view, after already having played few seasons of Super rugby, like Pocock, I'd be keen to spend a couple of years in France or such just for a change of scenery and then come back refreshed for the subsequent RWC...and stay in Oz for several more years and perhaps contribute alot more to the Wallabies than it would have been the case had they stayed in Oz...

The only problem with that Nusadan is the fact that we are yet to see a player return from the NH playing as well as when they left.

Elsom is no where near as good as when he left and Dan Carter while still the premier 10 in the world isn't as sharp either.

I never want to see another Elsom type deal where a player walks straight back into the Wallabies team, so if Pocock were to leave I would be hoping that one of the next generation of 7's would step up (a huge huge step). It would be a pity because in two years Pocock could be counted as one of the true great of Wallabies Rugby and given he hasn't won a series of any kind at Super or 3N level surely he would be wanting to "finish" some business on that front first.

 

[naza]

Who am I missing?

I am told loosehead prop phenomenon Nick the Aussie has turned down offers from France & Japan and demonstrated his loyalty by remaining with Australian rugby.

 

[TOCC]

Dam, this means the QC (Quade Cooper) contractual talks will be another publicity circus in 2011

QUADE Cooper is set to deliver Australian rugby bosses more sleepless nights with a move to Team Mundine in the wings.

The electric Wallabies five-eighth has informed his management company IMG he intends leaving the agency, clearing the way for Cooper to link up with Khoder Nasser, agent of Anthony Mundine and Sonny Bill Williams.

Cooper has become firm friends with both Mundine and Williams recently and it is believed Nasser provided advice behind the scenes to the 22-year-old last year as he weighed up a future in rugby league or with Queensland and the Wallabies.

Cooper's contract with IMG does not finish for another three months but speculation has been rife in rugby circles in recent weeks that he'll turn to Nasser when he embarks on another round of contract negotiations later this year.

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"I can confirm IMG's agreement with Quade will end in April," agent Richard Colreavy told The Daily Telegraph. "I am uncertain what he intends to do next in terms of management but we wish him well."

Colreavy helped Cooper to secure a $600,000-plus contract with the ARU last year amid interest from the Parramatta Eels, though it was only a one-year extension.

Nasser was not able to be contacted last night. His potential involvement at the negotiating table will no doubt have Australian rugby bosses chewing their nails.

The shrewd agent behind Mundine and Williams has shown he's happy to take his clients around the world to land them the biggest payday.

Williams walked out on the Bulldogs in 2008 to take up a lucrative new career in French rugby, where he became one of the highest-paid players. Williams is now back in New Zealand and debuted for the All Blacks last year.

Nasser has also helped Mundine earn millions in boxing after similarly walking out on a rugby league career.

If Cooper's trajectory continues to rise at its current rate, the ARU will no doubt be told to reach deep into the coffers to keep him beyond the World Cup.

Opinion is divided whether Cooper remains keen to make the leap into rugby league. Some close to Cooper believe a link with Nasser indicates he may defect but a senior Queensland source said yesterday there is confidence the Kiwi-born playmaker prefers rugby and will stay in the game. Whether that is in Australia remains to be seen.

There would no doubt be many overseas clubs, particularly in France, prepared to pay top dollar for Cooper, even though his weak defence caused his dramas last year.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...mundines-manager/story-e6frey4i-1225995126586