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Where to for Super Rugby?
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Are you suggesting focus on women’s rugby is a result of IPRC stating they would also include that?
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
as one small detail yes, have you read the full thread?
But my main emphasis was that the new CEO will make no difference because the Chairman is in charge.
Especially a Chairman like Clyne who seems to like to make all the decisions behind the scenes right down into the details.
The main issue being that he has a personal problem with RWA and Twiggy.
Thus he needs to go for Aus rugby to be able to engage all stakeholders positively to move forward successfully.
But my main emphasis was that the new CEO will make no difference because the Chairman is in charge.
Especially a Chairman like Clyne who seems to like to make all the decisions behind the scenes right down into the details.
The main issue being that he has a personal problem with RWA and Twiggy.
Thus he needs to go for Aus rugby to be able to engage all stakeholders positively to move forward successfully.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
One does not need to read the full thread to know how ridiculous such an assssrtion is..........
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
I’m not sure how directly addressing repeated statements you’ve made in this thread is distracting from any other silly comments you might have made?
Is the Canberra Public Service title supposed to be some kind of slur? I currently don’t live in Canberra, nor have I been an APS enployee, but I sure wouldn’t pass up on the pay or benefits if offered.........
A basic understanding of governance suggests you are wrong. The CEO reports to the Board as a whole, the Chairman just guides the Board. So whereas the CEO can make decisions for the company and over rule other executives, the Chairman can not overrule the CEO nor the Board.
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
Who sets the strategic direction of the Company? Who hires the CEO, he is usually just an employee? Who gives the CEO his boundaries and what level of decisions he can make? it just goes on and on. In many cases the Chairman is the main shareholder in many smaller companies and is in effect the owner. Do not underestimate the power of the Chairman, he runs the show, just have a look at the recent history of RA and previous Chairmen.
the answer to your questions is the Board. Not the Chair. He doesn't have that power.
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
If we are talking reality here, board members very rarely go against the Chairman, it doesn't help you in your occupation as a professional board member if you want to continue being on boards. If you disagree strongly it is best to resign and move on to the next board.
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George Smith (75)
IIRC anything Aus rugby gained by the Reds winning Super Rugby in 2011 was quickly undone by the Wobs crashing out of RWC a few months later, and similarly the boost given by the 'tahs winning 2014 got trashed by the goings-on in & around the Wobs a few months later. IMO opinion, therefore, Aus Super Rugby success means fuck all beyond the border of the State or Territory that wins it whereas Aus Bledisloe or RWC success might just get some bandwagon-jumpers on board & if it can be sustained or built upon convert some of them (numerous people having posted on these fora to the effect they used to follow Loig until the Wobs won RWC in '91 or '99, far fewer having cited Reds 2011 or 'tahs 2014 as their Damascus moment).
So, yeah, winning the Bledisloe back & building on that with an eye on RWC 2019 would be my priority if I were running Rugby Aus & if one of my four franchises happened to pick up a Super Rugby title this year or next then, OK, that's great but of secondary importance.
Froggy
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Killer,
I was totally opposed to cutting the Force, the way it was handled was dreadful, the lies told by people in positions of influence to justify their decisions were inexcusable, and Clyne's tenure as Chairman of the ARU has been extremely unsuccessful and, in parts, damaging for Australian Rugby.
Having said all that, to then assert Clyne has a personal issue with WA rugby and Twiggy really comes with no evidence at all, apart from a natural inclination for Force supporters to feel all the world is against them.
Likewise, having served on a number of boards (and chaired a couple) I can assure you the Chair doesn't have the sort of powers you suggest. In fact, there are innumerable occasions where a Chairman's wishes are defeated by a majority of Directors. The chairman simply chairs the meetings, and appears as the public face of the board.
And I am neither from Canberra nor a public servant, however being a Waratah supporter I'm sure you have an equal or better personal slur to apply to me.
I was totally opposed to cutting the Force, the way it was handled was dreadful, the lies told by people in positions of influence to justify their decisions were inexcusable, and Clyne's tenure as Chairman of the ARU has been extremely unsuccessful and, in parts, damaging for Australian Rugby.
Having said all that, to then assert Clyne has a personal issue with WA rugby and Twiggy really comes with no evidence at all, apart from a natural inclination for Force supporters to feel all the world is against them.
Likewise, having served on a number of boards (and chaired a couple) I can assure you the Chair doesn't have the sort of powers you suggest. In fact, there are innumerable occasions where a Chairman's wishes are defeated by a majority of Directors. The chairman simply chairs the meetings, and appears as the public face of the board.
And I am neither from Canberra nor a public servant, however being a Waratah supporter I'm sure you have an equal or better personal slur to apply to me.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
Broadly agree wo, with the comment that the Reds in particular would almost certainly have gone insolvent by now without 2011, and the financial issues that culminated in the Force decision happen earlier, probably prior to the big TV deal in 2016.
That could have brought the whole lot crashing down.
Things could be considerably worse in Aus rugby.
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wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
Have mistakes been made? Yes. Were they deliberate mistakes? Of course not.
As I have said earlier, maybe, just maybe, the worst mistake was picking the Force way back when, instead of going with the safer Melbourne option.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, these pages are full of people who can talk until the cows come home about mistakes, with the benefit of hindsight.
As I have said earlier, maybe, just maybe, the worst mistake was picking the Force way back when, instead of going with the safer Melbourne option.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, these pages are full of people who can talk until the cows come home about mistakes, with the benefit of hindsight.
jimmydubs
Dave Cowper (27)
^^^^^ laughable that picking Force originally was the worst mistake. Would've been bankrupt sooner if we'd had the rebels lead balloon that long.
On other subject, rumours have it there is history between clyne and twiggy that pre-dates all this that could be a cause of animosity. But it's rumour.
Clyne should go in my book. They need a cleaner slate than they've got given the last year.
On other subject, rumours have it there is history between clyne and twiggy that pre-dates all this that could be a cause of animosity. But it's rumour.
Clyne should go in my book. They need a cleaner slate than they've got given the last year.
The Honey Badger
Jim Lenehan (48)
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
Killer,
I was totally opposed to cutting the Force, the way it was handled was dreadful, the lies told by people in positions of influence to justify their decisions were inexcusable, and Clyne's tenure as Chairman of the ARU has been extremely unsuccessful and, in parts, damaging for Australian Rugby.
Having said all that, to then assert Clyne has a personal issue with WA rugby and Twiggy really comes with no evidence at all, apart from a natural inclination for Force supporters to feel all the world is against them.
Likewise, having served on a number of boards (and chaired a couple) I can assure you the Chair doesn't have the sort of powers you suggest. In fact, there are innumerable occasions where a Chairman's wishes are defeated by a majority of Directors. The chairman simply chairs the meetings, and appears as the public face of the board.
And I am neither from Canberra nor a public servant, however being a Waratah supporter I'm sure you have an equal or better personal slur to apply to me.
haha, no, no slurs for you. I only react to an action, that action was from Slim early in the thread. He delights in attacking anything I say. We all have different experiences. I don't think Clyne has it all his own way, but imo and from my observation he seems to be mostly in control. Certainly the CEO, as seen with Pulver, does not make the important strategic decisions. This was my point in the beginning, the Chairman outranks the CEO therefore expecting big changes with a new CEO would be mistaken imo.
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