Where is JON hiding?

[vidiot]

So coopers dummy spit is a direct result of JON being chairman of echo? Are you able to elaborate on why?

1) I didn't say that it was a direct result.

2) You seem to be looking for a photocopy of a line in O'Neill's diary where he has crossed out "2pm conference call to Cooper and Nasser" and written "Long lunch with ECHO management". This is not a manslaughter investigation, its a forum.

There isn't actual proof or examples of any conflict or problems at all that have been created since June are there?

Coopergate is a problem that has arisen since June. It is O'Neill's responsibility to ensure that such events are managed. It was a week long train wreck.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Maybe El Presidente should receive an adequate stipend to cover for the time that they give back to the grass roots, visiting training, speaking at clubs, mentoring referees and coaches etc..

Come off it.

So coopers dummy spit is a direct result of JON being chairman of echo? Are you able to elaborate on why?

One day we'll find a target you wont defend WJ - did you ever think of the name "WaratahDoubtingThomas" as a sort of ironic nod to the bible?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

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Coopergate is a problem that has arisen since June. It is O'Neill's responsibility to ensure that such events are managed. It was a week long train wreck.

The loose cannon act was the Rugby Club Cameo. While QC (Quade Cooper) clearly hasn't agreed terms for next season, I presume he is still under contract with ARU for this season. I also presume that there are clauses in that contract regarding media appearances and statements.

Any lawyers/bush lawyers out there care to comment on what JON could have done to prevent QC (Quade Cooper) from making the appearance he did on the Rugby Club?

Tough call without the actual wording of QC (Quade Cooper)'s contract but just assume that it is a "standard" one size fits all clause that is in most employment contracts about making statements about the workplace.

 

[waratahjesus]

1) I didn't say that it was a direct result.

2) You seem to be looking for a photocopy of a line in O'Neill's diary where he has crossed out "2pm conference call to Cooper and Nasser" and written "Long lunch with ECHO management". This is not a manslaughter investigation, its a forum.



Coopergate is a problem that has arisen since June. It is O'Neill's responsibility to ensure that such events are managed. It was a week long train wreck.

What did JON do wrong in cooperate? The ARU made contact with Quade. They issued a press release saying they weren't making public comment. Quade escalated things on the rugby club, they issued a statement to correct assumptions about dealings that people had made due to Quades comments. You are assuming that from the original article/tweets to the rugby club everyone at the ARU sat on there hands because they didn't make things public or force the issue.

I think people believe that because there isn't a daily press conference trumpeting everything from answering the phone to what they had for lunch, that the ARU aren't doing anything.

 

[I like to watch]

OK WJ since you won't let it go, let's put it this way.
He is the CEO of a company that lost $4M and burnt $16M of cash last year. He goes to the board and says, I have got everything so under control, the business doesn't need to me to spend as much time at my desk as I used to.
You reckon that's sounds like good corporate governance?
How he managed to negotiate a $180k bonus on the back of those results I will never know, but that's another issue.

 

[vidiot]

What did JON do wrong in cooperate?

I must need more wine.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

typo. Suspect it is CooperGate that WJ was refering to. Either that or I need more wine as well!

 

[vidiot]

typo. Suspect it is CooperGate that WJ was refering to. Either that or I need more wine as well!

I have independent evidence that I need more wine, so I'm going to go with that.

 

[waratahjesus]

OK WJ since you won't let it go, let's put it this way.
He is the CEO of a company that lost $4M and burnt $16M of cash last year. He goes to the board and says, I have got everything so under control, the business doesn't need to me to spend as much time at my desk as I used to.
You reckon that's sounds like good corporate governance?
How he managed to negotiate a $180k bonus on the back of those results I will never know, but that's another issue.

Nope, they didn't burn 16million in cash, they lost 16 million in projected revenue due to no inbound tours and a shortened tri nations.

''Those reduced revenues are across sponsorship, broadcast and gate. Such an outcome is unsustainable and impacts on the ARU's ability to promote and develop the game in our country and region,'' O'Neill said last September.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...n-new-boost-20120302-1u883.html#ixzz27wU6AiCb

They did run at a loss of four million, he then negotiated a 2.1 million compensation package from the IRB leaving a shortfall of 1.9 million. (the 4 million loss was projected) meaning he saved the game over 2 million last year through good management. I would say saving 2 million could be seen as bonus worthy to some.

But hey, there facts, so don't let it get in the way.

Also, and this is what I can't let go and no one has yet answered, when has he spent less time at his desk or carrying out his ARU duties? It's pure speculation, stop presenting it as fact.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

What did JON do wrong in cooperate? The ARU made contact with Quade. They issued a press release saying they weren't making public comment. Quade escalated things on the rugby club, they issued a statement to correct assumptions about dealings that people had made due to Quades comments. You are assuming that from the original article/tweets to the rugby club everyone at the ARU sat on there hands because they didn't make things public or force the issue.

I think people believe that because there isn't a daily press conference trumpeting everything from answering the phone to what they had for lunch, that the ARU aren't doing anything.

Well, given that HJ equates ARU CEO with PM we need doorstops - fact is Growden couldn't be bothered getting out of bed early enough to do a doorstop.

 

[TOCC]

There's nothing token about it: if he actually lived and breathed it he'd have a far better idea of what's going on.
The performances of the Wallabies are not my measure of what is going on in rugby - they are the symptom not the disease.
The Shute Shield is on its knees - be assured that if it falters the effect on Australian rugby will be profound.
Under age rugby in NSW is chaotic - have a look at the National U16 thread and see if you can work out how they picked the NSW teams.
The Wallabies do not exist for commercial gain:they existed before there was commercial gain. They are the centrepiece of a community game. The ARU owe their existence and everything they do to the wider rugby community and not to board members or current or past players or the shareholders of Echo.
The game, in my view, is in serious trouble and the Captain's on shore leave.

Your kidding yourself If you think JON is making productive use if his time by attending numerous junior/senior/schoolboy and representative matches though the week. Like I said, you can't have it both ways, complain that the CEO isn't spending times on the crucial matters like sponsorships, contractual processes, structure reforms and broadcast agreements and then argue that a large part of his week should also be spent sitting on the sidelines of matches or training sessions

Blah blah blah, people continue to whinge about the state of the game yet the ignore statistics at junior levels across traditional and not traditional states of increasing numbers. Shute Shield is not going to collapse, clubs have always run tight budgets, but there are always expenses which can be cut. Super Rugby ratings of the regular season also exceeded the previous season... The list goes on...

You make broad comments yet the statistics aren't supporting your claims.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

TOCC,
Do you think Rugby needs a Governor General type person to complement the PM type role that JON as CEO is supposed to be doing?

Chairman of the ARU Board Paul McLean is the most logical person to be in the GG role.

 

[I like to watch]

Nope, they didn't burn 16million in cash, they lost 16 million in projected revenue due to no inbound tours and a shortened tri nations.

''Those reduced revenues are across sponsorship, broadcast and gate. Such an outcome is unsustainable and impacts on the ARU's ability to promote and develop the game in our country and region,'' O'Neill said last September.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...n-new-boost-20120302-1u883.html#ixzz27wU6AiCb

They did run at a loss of four million, he then negotiated a 2.1 million compensation package from the IRB leaving a shortfall of 1.9 million. (the 4 million loss was projected) meaning he saved the game over 2 million last year through good management. I would say saving 2 million could be seen as bonus worthy to some.

But hey, there facts, so don't let it get in the way.

Also, and this is what I can't let go and no one has yet answered, when has he spent less time at his desk or carrying out his ARU duties? It's pure speculation, stop presenting it as fact.

read the annual report.
p24 (b) reconciliation of of cash
Cash at Bank or on hand
2011 $5,474k
2010 $21,317k
That translates to a reduction in cash of $15,843k, so I admit not quite $16M

p7 Income statement
Total Income $68,801k(including IRB Grant $4207k which is up from $2204 the previous year, or $2.03M for the slow people)
Operating surplus/(Loss) ($4103k)
This loss is after accounting for the IRB Grant, you don't add it in again for any reason.
They are the facts.
You don't know what you are talking about.
As to his role with Echo, if you refuse to acknowledge the fact that any remuneration in excess of $400k comes with a substantial time commitment, we are wasting our time debating it.

 

[waratahjesus]

Yep, they lost 16 million due to loss of revenue. It was good governance that he cut so many programs and costs as well as scheduling extra test matches before 2011s projected loses so that we had money in the coffers to protect us from bankruptcy.

But then again, no idea.

I apologize for my mistake about the IRB grant, I was in the wrong there.

I acknowledge that someone doing two jobs would give more of there time. The debate Question I keep asking that you and others refuse to answer is the fact that you actually have zero idea or proof if it is impacting at all. Zero idea or proof that he is doing one minute less than he previously did or that any attention he gave to his job at the ARu is impacted at all. You have assumed your side of the debate and then ridiculed the equally assumed other side. May I raise the equally factual idea that maybe people are resigning from the Echo board due to the fact that JoN is to busy with rugby to give it the time it deserves?

 

[jimmydubs]

Yep, they lost 16 million due to loss of revenue. It was good governance that he cut so many programs and costs as well as scheduling extra test matches before 2011s projected loses so that we had money in the coffers to protect us from bankruptcy.

But then again, no idea.

I apologize for my mistake about the IRB grant, I was in the wrong there.

I acknowledge that someone doing two jobs would give more of there time. The debate Question I keep asking that you and others refuse to answer is the fact that you actually have zero idea or proof if it is impacting at all. Zero idea or proof that he is doing one minute less than he previously did or that any attention he gave to his job at the ARu is impacted at all. You have assumed your side of the debate and then ridiculed the equally assumed other side. May I raise the equally factual idea that maybe people are resigning from the Echo board due to the fact that JoN is to busy with rugby to give it the time it deserves?

WJ in response to all your previous posts, while you not be trying to wind people up let me tell you that you are.

Instead of stating your case by asking questions on how exactly his Echo management has affected his handling of the ARU, how about you actually present some evidence in defence???
Give me examples of how JON has been performing his duties successfully to date, given the state of the game in Australia?
Do you think that the ARU and by extension the very game of rugby in Australia is important enough to have one person running it full time, or not?

 

[waratahjesus]

WJ in response to all your previous posts, while you not be trying to wind people up let me tell you that you are.

Instead of stating your case by asking questions on how exactly his Echo management has affected his handling of the ARU, how about you actually present some evidence in defence???
Give me examples of how JON has been performing his duties successfully to date, given the state of the game in Australia?
Do you think that the ARU and by extension the very game of rugby in Australia is important enough to have one person running it full time, or not?

The game of rugby deserves a full time CEO, I am yet to see evidence that JoN is not working full time.

I don't have a defense, as there is nothing to defend but baseless accusations. He has been in the job for four months. In that time I have not heard of one thing that hasn't done for the ARu. I'm sure if he was taking time off or unavailable that being the political hotspot the ARu is we would have heard a lot more about it.

This thread was about JoN being absent from his duties to the ARU yet somehow me asking for evidence of it is winding people up? That might be the worst point made in this thread.

 

[kiap]

As to his role with Echo, if you refuse to acknowledge the fact that any remuneration in excess of $400k comes with a substantial time commitment, we are wasting our time debating it.

After reported disquiet within the ARU about O'Neill not devoting full attention to the present unravelling problems in Australian rugby with his time compromised attending pressing matters at Echo, it doesn't look like it's just business as usual at St Leonards. O'Neill is not just a director of Echo, he is chairman. And Echo is not humming along smoothly, it's in crisis. O'Neill has become the de facto chief executive there, and focused on a learning curve after three months in the job.

• O'Neill refuses to fold
  
  September 29, 2012: Colin Kruger and Elizabeth Knight
  
  ..... Rugby supremo O'Neill has only been in place since June, when James Packer's campaign for control of the casino operator led the board to knife its chairman of the time, John Story.
  
  ..... O'Neill is the only remaining authority on Echo's threadbare board, but insiders, who spoke of factional fighting and disarray, say this is part of the problem.
  
  ..... O'Neill is not known for being hands off. Insiders say he effectively became an executive chairman with clear views on how things would run. Apparently this did not include keeping his chief executive and the few remaining directors in the loop at a time when the company's future as a stand-alone entity was in doubt....

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/oneill-refuses-to-fold-20120928-26qxr.html#ixzz27xBHsAAl

 

[Bruce Ross]

So far no one seems to have realised why JO'N has abundant time to handle both a seven-figure CEO's job and a second position as "an executive chairman" as mentioned above. Doesn't anyone here read the Irish Times?

When Totality Tony McGahan told the Dublin publication he would be handling "the totality of it" no one twigged that he meant that literally. Not only has he taken responsibility for the Wallabies' playing strategy - with quite spectacular impact overnight - but he also finds time to cover for the boss while he is away masterminding young Jamie's grand strategy of bringing even more gambling to our wager-starved State. With the Premier dismantling the Public Service those granted early exits need to have something on which to while away their time and invest their Super entitlements.

Is there a better way to spend compulsory leisure time than perched on a poker machine stool in a windowless room but knowing that if you were to step outside you would be confronted by the most spectacular Harbour views?
.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Bruce,
Andrew Wilkie, the Federal MP (Moana Pasifika) for ex rug sellers, is working closely with the gambling industry on an innovative product that allows those that can't afford the price of public transport to attend the closest asset reduction establishment to simply email their bank details in to a central repository. Once they do this, a courier driver will deliver a can of RTD drink of their choice every 2 hours to their nominated address, along with two meals on wheels meals every 24 hours for as long as that their account has sufficient funds to cover that gambling agency deducting 30% of a precommitted total amount daily directly from their bank account.

Can't understand why you are being so harsh on the gambling industry and their mandated 70% payout on Poker Machine revenue. 70% payout is a guarantee of 30% loss. You can't get returns like that on the Stock market without insider trading.

 

[Gagger]

After reported disquiet within the ARU about O'Neill not devoting full attention to the present unravelling problems in Australian rugby with his time compromised attending pressing matters at Echo, it doesn't look like it's just business as usual at St Leonards. O'Neill is not just a director of Echo, he is chairman. And Echo is not humming along smoothly, it's in crisis. O'Neill has become the de facto chief executive there, and focused on a learning curve after three months in the job.

• O'Neill refuses to fold
  
  September 29, 2012: Colin Kruger and Elizabeth Knight
  
  ... Rugby supremo O'Neill has only been in place since June, when James Packer's campaign for control of the casino operator led the board to knife its chairman of the time, John Story.
  
  ... O'Neill is the only remaining authority on Echo's threadbare board, but insiders, who spoke of factional fighting and disarray, say this is part of the problem.
  
  ... O'Neill is not known for being hands off. Insiders say he effectively became an executive chairman with clear views on how things would run. Apparently this did not include keeping his chief executive and the few remaining directors in the loop at a time when the company's future as a stand-alone entity was in doubt..

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/oneill-refuses-to-fold-20120928-26qxr.html#ixzz27xBHsAAl

You've done well stringing this one on for so long WJ, but even without the JO'N desk-cam - I now hear you swirling down the gurgler.

Do you think the Echo board, shareholders and associated parties have been fitting their working lives around JO'Ns coffee breaks and evenings? Just said "fuck working in the week" and manage it all in 2 days at JO'Ns over the weekend?

Funny