Where is JON hiding?

[cyclopath]

Yeah, it's opinion. In my game, and many others, expert opinion is generally what wins. That's all I'm saying. Some who have presented here could be deemed to provide that.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Inside Shoulder,

I can see it from both sides - or at least in my own warped mind I think I can.

Couldn't we take a lead from politics (as stuffed up that that is) and have a Governer General and a Prime Minister.

Rugby is currently missing a genial elder statesman type Governer General role. Largely ceremonial and advisory role that gets out and about and has green grass in their blood and oval balls. Someone like a Rugby Grandfather, that you can turn to for advice from the ages.

The Prime Minister role is to be performed by a person who is an astute business person, commercially savvy negotiator, HR expert, juggler, and chess grandmaster.

Presently our CEO (JON) fulfils many of the PM roles above. We are lacking someone performing in the Governer General role.

 

[waratahjesus]

WJ, it is stupid to compare the time required to chair a gov advisory board with that of a publicly listed company that is worth over $3billion.
But you know that.

Is echo overpaying considering John Oneil is traveling for the next week for the ARU and the again for the entire EOYT?

 

[waratahjesus]

Yeah, it's opinion. In my game, and many others, expert opinion is generally what wins. That's all I'm saying. Some who have presented here could be deemed to provide that.

I agree with you, I'm just saying, I'm not trolling asking for proof or questioning why that opinion automatically means John Oneil is not performing his duties at the ARU.

If someone came on here and said you working at more than one hospital means that you lack the time to adiquately care for patients at each, your response would no doubt be that you divide your time up according to need and delegate to staff to follow through on orders. (I say this as someone from a nursing and administration background, I know not expert medical but in the ballpark) is it not fair to say that someone doing two jobs in a different field could do the same?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Inside Shoulder,

I can see it from both sides - or at least in my own warped mind I think I can.

Couldn't we take a lead from politics (as stuffed up that that is) and have a Governer General and a Prime Minister.

Rugby is currently missing a genial elder statesman type Governer General role. Largely ceremonial and advisory role that gets out and about and has green grass in their blood and oval balls.

The Prime Minister role is to be performed by a person who is an astute business person, commercially savvy negotiator, HR expert, juggler, and chess grandmaster.

Presently our CEO (JON) fulfils many of the PM roles above. We are lacking someone performing in the Governer General role.

Isn't the GG role taken by Paul McLean?
Just like in politics the effective head of state is the PM.
Who says JON is an astute business person - he's run 2 orginsations the ARU and Football Australia and if you read the story of how he came to be involved in rugby administration it shows that he does not, or did not, live and breath the game.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I agree with you, I'm just saying, I'm not trolling asking for proof or questioning why that opinion automatically means John Oneil is not performing his duties at the ARU.

Can we agree that someone isnt?
Can we agree that its more than one person?
if we agree on this - how high up is the highest person who isnt performing?
Who appointed him/her?

 

[I like to watch]

So you have moved on from the proposition that the time he spends at Echo is not substantial, to how can he travel and still fulfill his obligations to Echo?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

If it is Paul McLean (ARU Chairman I suspect) then perhaps we should be directing some advice/poison his way about getting out to Shute Shield games, Subbies changing rooms, Junior state champs, Womens Premiership games etc..

Get JON in the engine room or on the bridge keeping HMAS Rugby going in the right direction with the correct quantities of fuel, ammunition and rations ordered for the grew, with Fleet Admiral McLean doing all the Schmoozing and bell polishing.

 

[waratahjesus]

Can we agree that someone isnt?
Can we agree that its more than one person?
if we agree on this - how high up is the highest person who isnt performing?
Who appointed him/her?

The problem I have and the reason I choose to defend JoN is that many people state that they wish the game did this or that, for the most part I agree with them, the end game of most wishes is that every level of rugby was thriving, that it was on free to air tv and had several programs talking about it every week across television and radio, that we had a national comp, that we won every game the wallabies played. That every superugby team was a chance of winning the comp, that players rolled off production lines and crowds rolled in.


This is all fantastic, but it isn't reality. In professional sport. unfortunately someone has to make business decisions, the game can't afford to live beyond its means. I went to a luncheon last year where JOn spoke. It was just after he had announced he would leave after next year. Someone asked why rugby wasn't doing better and his response was along the lines of "we have had to make a lot of cost cutting, unpopular decisions that hopefully would mean that following the lions tour if we get it right the game is in a position to make several popular ones. I think it's appropriate that I leave before that happens, that way PR wise people can hate me for ruining the game but at the same time give rugby a clean slate to build on the financial foundation we leave" (note - not word for word) it was after this I realized that the criticism and crap that gets thrown at them wasn't something they were immune to but rather something that was known, anticipated and part of planning for the future, for this I will always give him credit, hopefully they pull off a successful lions tour and people continue to criticize.

 

[waratahjesus]

So you have moved on from the proposition that the time he spends at Echo is not substantial, to how can he travel and still fulfill his obligations to Echo?

That's not what I said at all. I was asking the question that if he is spending so much time there, how can he not be around to do so?

 

[cyclopath]

I agree with you, I'm just saying, I'm not trolling asking for proof or questioning why that opinion automatically means John Oneil is not performing his duties at the ARU.

If someone came on here and said you working at more than one hospital means that you lack the time to adiquately care for patients at each, your response would no doubt be that you divide your time up according to need and delegate to staff to follow through on orders. (I say this as someone from a nursing and administration background, I know not expert medical but in the ballpark) is it not fair to say that someone doing two jobs in a different field could do the same?

Not really the same at all. Same job, different geographical locations, and generally all allocated time blocks within the framework of my working week. It's like JO'N having meetings, trips, etc in different cities and countries in his capacity as CEO of the ARU.
If you said my involvement with this forum is a conflict with my regular job, you'd be closer, but no-one pays me to be here, and I don't interrupt operations to moderate threads.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

If it is Paul McLean (ARU Chairman I suspect) then perhaps we should be directing some advice/poison his way about getting out to Shute Shield games, Subbies changing rooms, Junior state champs, Womens Premiership games etc..

Get JON in the engine room or on the bridge keeping HMAS Rugby going in the right direction with the correct quantities of fuel, ammunition and rations ordered for the grew, with Fleet Admiral McLean doing all the Schmoozing and bell polishing.

I dont think El Presidente/Chairthing is a paid position

 

[waratahjesus]

Cyclo - was alluding to the fact as a doctor, you can perform an op, yet not be there for everyday of a patients hospital stay, instead visiting, giving orders & writing plans to be carried out by others. Time management, something becoming a chairman apparantly takes away from people.

 

[cyclopath]

Cyclo - was alluding to the fact as a doctor, you can perform an op, yet not be there for everyday of a patients hospital stay, instead visiting, giving orders & writing plans to be carried out by others. Time management, something becoming a chairman apparantly takes away from people.

Neither does JON discharge all the duties of the ARU. Part of his job, and mine, is to delegate aspects to others, and in the smooth course of most cases, my daily input is not required. If there is a problem, it's no good me ignoring the problem and letting it run to ruin because I am busy doing a separate job. It is my responsibility.

 

[waratahjesus]

Neither does JON discharge all the duties of the ARU. Part of his job, and mine, is to delegate aspects to others, and in the smooth course of most cases, my daily input is not required. If there is a problem, it's no good me ignoring the problem and letting it run to ruin because I am busy doing a separate job. It is my responsibility.

What is JON ignoring?

 

[cyclopath]

Oh, FFS, I am saying, in principle, having 2 entirely separate and both extremely complex jobs could lead to such a situation where attention is required for a problem within one, while his mind is on the other. Interestingly, both his jobs at the moment seem to be anything but simple. Maybe he's the Tony Stark of the management world, whose mind works at speeds beyond us mortals.
But I have exhausted my input, and rule 10 is being abused, so have at it, my friend.

 

[waratahjesus]

I'm not trying to wind you up cyclo and apologies if that's how its coming across, I just fail to see how a job he has had for the last 4 months is suddenly responsible for things people are bringing up from years past. There isn't actual proof or examples of any conflict or problems at all that have been created since June are there?

 

[vidiot]

There isn't actual proof or examples of any conflict or problems at all that have been created since June are there?

Here you go: Cooper.

 

[waratahjesus]

Here you go: Cooper.

So coopers dummy spit is a direct result of JON being chairman of echo? Are you able to elaborate on why?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I dont think El Presidente/Chairthing is a paid position

Maybe El Presidente should receive an adequate stipend to cover for the time that they give back to the grass roots, visiting training, speaking at clubs, mentoring referees and coaches etc....