Western Force 2025
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noknowledgeatall
Chris McKivat (8)
While twiggy spends more money off the field than on the field / player development the force will keep getting more of what they have done for the past 20 years.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
just to understand, you think coaching offers nothing to "on the field / player development" ?
noknowledgeatall
Chris McKivat (8)
It does but sometimes too many cooks and too many ideas becomes destructive.
Rugby is a simple game played by PLAYERS. Coaches predominantly set up the environment for them to perform.
Recently you will see most teams with coaching groups of 5, 6 or 7 people. (Head Coach, attack coach, set piece coach, defence coach, kicking coach, stats coach, dietitian, physio, doctor, team manager, specialist coaches and mentors-ie Kurtley Beale for example). All trying to impart their knowledge.
They are trying to co-ordinate a playing group of 23. Just seems like overkill for me. No wonder some of the players seem confused
LeCheese
Peter Sullivan (51)
Yeah, let’s go back to the days of mum cooking up a big pot of spag bol the night before a game, and players managing their own injuries. Maybe the forwards can work out the lineout calls 5min before kickoff too? Definitely don’t need to let the backs know what’s going on either - she’ll be right!
It’s almost as though high performance environments require specialist multi-disciplinary teams…
Tazzmania
Jim Clark (26)
We have all been crying out for a pathway and development process for local coaches.
This is exactly what the Force have done, they have brought in someone to assist and help develop all their coaches.
Imagine how much this means to people like Jeremy Thrush, Jonno Lance, Chris Heiberg, James Stannard, Dylan Parsons, the Force High Perfomance team and Simon Cron's team, especially those that are just starting out on their coaching journey.
Also can you imagine the ladies team, the academy players, the U16's and U19's, the wider training squad and even the first team squad arriving at practice this morning and seeing Leon McDonald there to help their coaches learn to help them better.
This is exactly what the Force have done, they have brought in someone to assist and help develop all their coaches.
Imagine how much this means to people like Jeremy Thrush, Jonno Lance, Chris Heiberg, James Stannard, Dylan Parsons, the Force High Perfomance team and Simon Cron's team, especially those that are just starting out on their coaching journey.
Also can you imagine the ladies team, the academy players, the U16's and U19's, the wider training squad and even the first team squad arriving at practice this morning and seeing Leon McDonald there to help their coaches learn to help them better.
Strewthcobber
David Codey (61)
Are bionic knees for their first choice props an option?
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
losing the two starting props in pre-season doesn't help the situation, all australian teams would struggle if that happened
The Ghost of Raelene
David Codey (61)
Macdonald is overall good pickup for the Force but he will be gone at the first big job that approaches him. Either that or he end up the Force by next season...
RL may seem simple but their execution of basic skills is unmatched by Rugby and it's a big reason why it can be a more watchable product to a neutral. Rugby are also implementing many coaches from league circles around the wrestle, in play and on the move kicking as well as the athletic specialities for groups like the outside backs. Much of this has probably come about from scarcity of resources in Rugby to afford these until the point there are enough coaches in the market that demand lowers.
All those sports have plenty of complexity to excel, and I tend to think in Rugby we love to explain away the game to those that trash it as intricate and you don't get it. Mauls, Scrums, line outs all do require skills coaches but it's not a flex of the game but merely a necessity like Cricket having a cohort of what seems 20 coaches to 11 player.
RL may seem simple but their execution of basic skills is unmatched by Rugby and it's a big reason why it can be a more watchable product to a neutral. Rugby are also implementing many coaches from league circles around the wrestle, in play and on the move kicking as well as the athletic specialities for groups like the outside backs. Much of this has probably come about from scarcity of resources in Rugby to afford these until the point there are enough coaches in the market that demand lowers.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
It depends entirely on the structure and how communication is handled. I agree if all these staff were talking to a player daily, then it would be confusing, but i think the reality is it would be channelled or rationalised through teams.
As long as there isn't conflicting input and the communication process is simplified or managed through key channels, it's perfectly fine to have large multi-disciplinary teams and can be a multiplier for the organisation.
A statistician would inform the coaching team, the dietcian/phsio/doctor would work together on management plans that are then advised to the coach and players.. the team manager should be handling the team's logistics and taking work off the plates of the coaches and players, not cluttering it further.
There are certainly benefits in running a lean operation, but running larger organisations isn't necessarily a disadvantage either.
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Tomthumb
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Losing two players to ACL injuries, neither of which happened in an actual game is one of the most bizarre things I've heard of
Tazzmania
Jim Clark (26)
Both the Western Force and McDonald have stated it is only a short term contract for the Super Rugby Pasifika Season.
It is a simpler sport with far less moving parts. Obviously, the skills are better and should be because the game has a smaller skill set and and a is so repetitive. They’ve taken a lot of pressure away (charge down of place kicks, place kicks for restarts, scrums shithousery, 10m defence line, you could go on and on!). Personally, I think just because the skills are better doesn’t make it a better product. Shooting is getting better and better in the NBA but people aren’t loving it because everyone plays the same. The neutral follows rugby league because is so basic to follow. It only gets complicated when blockers are involved or they’re trying to workout knock ons. Such a boring game.
I think rugby would be better off celebrating its differences and unique shapes and sizes while reminding everyone that league is a series of 5 tackles and a kick on endless repeat.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
Medical joker?
I’ve never heard of Osbourne, but looks like he might be a bit of depth at LHP behind Marley Pearce
noknowledgeatall
Chris McKivat (8)
Why would they go offshore? What happened to next man up mentality and having faith in the feeder/ development programs in Australia?
Strewthcobber
David Codey (61)
As the tahs found out last year, having faith in the feeder/ development programs for front rowers means you just keep injuring guys who aren't ready for pro rugby