GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
he could also be a 12 he has played a few games at club level here in Perth at 12 but he could be cover of the bench. Means Harvey won't be there which is a good thing I'm thinking.
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RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Yes. And a big leading indicator of the gradually emerging pre-2010 QRU train wreck was that of crowd numbers' gradual decline. A proxy for $ income of course, but also the crucial parameter of depth of fan attachment and 'non core' fans moving away and leaving all but the then Reds 'hard core loyalist' fans that were nowhere near large enough to provide adequate cash income for the cost base the QRU had. Crisis foretold by poor business and team management.
I think a trend line drawn through Force's home crowds 2009-12 (so far) would be major warning sign.
Be assured: I want to see the Force succeed and prosper in the interests of Australian rugby's health. The decisions the Force's management make in the next 6 months (or less) re coaching resources, the big back line rebuild so clearly required, etc, will surely seal this franchise's fate for the next 3 years. IMO, it will either go relatively quickly upwards under a talented new coach and backs squad, or will replicate the 2006-2009 QRU model of gradual, serious failure.
en_force_er
Geoff Shaw (53)
Interesting observation. It certainly is a possibility. That being said, is Sheehan off this year?
Holmes and him are both pretty decent HBs, plus that youngster you're developing that's always injured is quality.
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
Yeah as far a I know Sheehan is going and turner is very good but yes always injured. I think Holmes had a very good game on the weekend he just hasn't had much game time but hopefully he stays on.
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Crowds are not a leading indicator, they are a lagging indicator in many regards.. RugbyWA operates under a vastly different financial model to the QRU of 2009-2010. I think it's insulting for RugbyWA to even be compared.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
Good on them for doing that and I hope they get a good crowd.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Leading or lagging, that's a matter of debate in this context.
I don't see the applicable financial models and their time periods as you note as being 'vastly different' at all. Their core income source types are/were the same, and they both receive material grants from the ARU.
There's no 'insult' to Rugby WA in this. I didn't suggest that RWA was in imminent danger of collapse, rather that danger trends were mounting IMO. I was commenting on concerning financial and fan attendance trends. In this year' RWA Annual Report, the Chairman directly refers to a downturn in gate receipts in 2011 v 2010 and remember the S15 new structure added 2 more home games per season to each franchise as I recall. He also politely criticises the ARU for a significant reduction in its $ grant to RWA.
en_force_er
Geoff Shaw (53)
You'd think they'd of gained more in terms of community support and saved more dollars if they played a Perth Invitational Side.
Anyway, good luck SA who I believe have more rugger players per capita than WA and certainly have more per capita than Victoria.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
See this morning the Force tried to get the Cheetahs scrummie Pieter van Zyl aswell. Luckily the Cheetahs jumped early and signed him yesterday.
http://www.dieburger.com/Sport/Rugby/Cheetahs-spring-Force-voor-met-Pieter-van-Zyl-20120531
http://www.dieburger.com/Sport/Rugby/Cheetahs-spring-Force-voor-met-Pieter-van-Zyl-20120531
en_force_er
Geoff Shaw (53)
With blokes lime To'omua and Leliafano at the Brumbies Holmes would be a fool not to go West, specially seeing as I'd be hailed as a homecoming.
Bowside
Peter Johnson (47)
The force like to make out like they are short on talent, but the reason the backline is so shit is because they have let Holmes and Swanepoel go and turner and godwin are yet to make the step up.
If they could get those 4 together, along with sias and another halfback - then that is 6 decent enough inside backs. From there a couple of those players will establish themselves.
I understand swanepoel has now fucked his visa up by playing a season with canterbury, so this is not a realistic proposition, but still.
Cummins, Mafi, toupou, wara and dellit are all decent enough squad players. I think they should give holmes (the scrumhalf) a run at 12 before the seasons out to see how he performs.
The brumbies are the perfect example of how to turn your team around. They didn't sign stars, instead they went after solid players with potential and a coaching team that can guide the players to the promised land.
If they could get those 4 together, along with sias and another halfback - then that is 6 decent enough inside backs. From there a couple of those players will establish themselves.
I understand swanepoel has now fucked his visa up by playing a season with canterbury, so this is not a realistic proposition, but still.
Cummins, Mafi, toupou, wara and dellit are all decent enough squad players. I think they should give holmes (the scrumhalf) a run at 12 before the seasons out to see how he performs.
The brumbies are the perfect example of how to turn your team around. They didn't sign stars, instead they went after solid players with potential and a coaching team that can guide the players to the promised land.
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RugbyWA financial model is much stronger due to many reasons..
1. They don't have a facility like Ballymore sucking their finances, in fact they have a brand new training facility and corporate HQ will require minimal capital investment over the coming years
2. Comparatively the Force sponsorship base is stronger then the Reds in 2009
3. Strong membership base which has maintained a high retention rate the past 2 seasons
4. Sizeable cash assets
5. No debt or debt servicing(this is what broke the back of the QRU)
There is a difference between a financially striken organisation carrying large debts(aka the QRU), as opposed to a organisation like the Western Force who posted a trading profit of $400'000 in 2011 and has significant assets to their name.
RugbyWA can afford to have another few more bad years before they will need to consider turning to the ARU.
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
he's full of it
en_force_er
Geoff Shaw (53)
I think the fact Poey is captaining two Wallaby tests in the next 5 days would mean his Super rugby career would barely be on his mind.
ChargerWA
Mark Loane (55)
The only thing that I think could cause this to happen would be if the Force were targetting a coach who has advised them he is not willing to take the job, and Pocock isn't impressed with the other candidates.
Was hoping we would have heard a peep out of Cheika by now, just to know what he was thinking. Is he coming back to Aus? Does he want to coach in S15? Maybe Cheika is keeping his powder dry for a tilt at the Wallabies job?
Was hoping we would have heard a peep out of Cheika by now, just to know what he was thinking. Is he coming back to Aus? Does he want to coach in S15? Maybe Cheika is keeping his powder dry for a tilt at the Wallabies job?
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