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Waratahs 2011

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Greg Davis (50)
Lee Grant said:
The odds are greatly against the kids, and I'm sure that they know it. Bruce mentioned a figure of $1,500 but topo mentioned last year that the JW "professionals" got $5,000, but maybe that was the maximum. As lily reported last year some players don't accept the offer of a pro academy spot because they need a real job, and it certainly rings true.

Then there's others who don't get paid anything. Conventional wisdom would have it that if they weren't good enough to be approached by a Super team for a pro academy (now called by the Tahs "Super Rugby Training Group") spot that they are wasting their time, but you can't blame them for pursuing a dream. Besides they can learn a lot to take back for their club games.

The blow ins from overseas are the ones we have to take stock of if they are serious about living in Oz. If Graydon Hart is good enough to play Super rugby for the Blues we can't afford to turn up our noses at him. Nor as a rugby country struggling for depth, can we ignore the merits of prop Ruan Smith who has played for 2007 Oz A Schools, 2008 South African Schools, 2009 WP U/19, and 2010 WP U/21 teams. He turned 21 yesterday, is now back in Australia, and showed up at the Rebels.

Bruce
I thought you might have taken issue with TOCC's contention that anybody could get a professional for free when, in that case, they would be amateurs.
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I have to agree with you, Lee. Kids should be prepared to play for nothing to get a shot at professional rugby. Once they make the cut, then they can get paid. And if they are successful they can make serious money.
 
topo

topo

Cyril Towers (30)
Lee Grant said:
The odds are greatly against the kids, and I'm sure that they know it. Bruce mentioned a figure of $1,500 but topo mentioned last year that the JW "professionals" got $5,000, but maybe that was the maximum. As lily reported last year some players don't accept the offer of a pro academy spot because they need a real job, and it certainly rings true.

Then there's others who don't get paid anything. Conventional wisdom would have it that if they weren't good enough to be approached by a Super team for a pro academy (now called by the Tahs "Super Rugby Training Group") spot that they are wasting their time, but you can't blame them for pursuing a dream. Besides they can learn a lot to take back for their club games.

The blow ins from overseas are the ones we have to take stock of if they are serious about living in Oz. If Graydon Hart is good enough to play Super rugby for the Blues we can't afford to turn up our noses at him. Nor as a rugby country struggling for depth, can we ignore the merits of prop Ruan Smith who has played for 2007 Oz A Schools, 2008 South African Schools, 2009 WP U/19, and 2010 WP U/21 teams. He turned 21 yesterday, is now back in Australia, and showed up at the Rebels.

Bruce
I thought you might have taken issue with TOCC's contention that anybody could get a professional for free when, in that case, they would be amateurs.
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Actually the figure I quoted was $10,000-$15,000 for a pro academy spot which I think is still what they are getting.
 
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Tom Lawton (22)
In the Australian article Hickey played down the fact that Hart had surfaced with the Tahs; denying they had signed him and "we'll keep a close eye on him". Me thinks there is more to this. Also Hart would be getting a decent quid from Southern who aren't shabby payers.
 
Bowside

Bowside

Peter Johnson (47)
Burgess is rumoured to be off to Toulouse after the world cup. Bringing in Hart might not be such a bad idea...
 
spectator

spectator

Bob Davidson (42)
So what's the story with Eddie Breddanhamm(sp?)? I thought he was being nurtured as future halfback stock by the Tahs?
 
#1 Tah

#1 Tah

Chilla Wilson (44)
Just wondering what our "full strength" 9-10-12-13 combo is, and the one that will be on display in 8 days... any news on Horne's elbow? surely if its a trial game you wouldnt risk it...
 
waratahjesus

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
9-burg
10-barnes
12-carter
13-horne

thats the strongest, i would suspect cross would step in for horne and carter at some point but as far as i know horne is fit (being that he told me he was going to play a couple of weeks ago when i ran into him.)
 
BrumbiesPolynesian

BrumbiesPolynesian

Fred Wood (13)
AS good a halfback as Grayson Hart is, there is a halfback playing in Canberra for Royals who forced Hart to move to Northland a few seasons ago due to him not being picked as 1st choice Halfback @ Club Level. I think if Waratahs are serious about a halfback replacement, I think they should look at Scott Patterson. He is good enough from what I have seen to play a higher level...best pass in my opinion in the club comp, and played most of the season with a crook shoulder which was operated on in the off season...good enough to attract interest from the NZ Warriors also. I hope Brumbies pick Patterson up, he and Nic White of our Whites could be the future for the Brumbies.
 
fatprop

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Rob Horne fit for Waratahs trial
David Beniuk
January 27, 2011 - 3:46PM

Injured Wallabies centre Rob Horne could be ready to play as soon as the NSW Waratahs' second trial match in two weeks' time.

Horne has been given the all-clear by a specialist to resume contact training after suffering an elbow injury that had threatened his pre-World Cup Super Rugby season.

Waratahs coach Chris Hickey says Horne could turn out in the second of two trials, against the Western Force in Nowra on February 10.
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"He saw the specialist on Friday and he's been given a clearance from the specialist to start contact training so he'll start contact training this week," Hickey told reporters.

"Assuming that goes well then he'd be a chance of perhaps playing in the Force trial.

"Obviously we're just going to have to see how the elbow progresses through contact."

NSW's first trial match is against Fiji at the Sydney Football Stadium on February 4.

They play new franchise the Melbourne Rebels at AAMI Park in round one of the Super Rugby competition on February 18.
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Lee Grant

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
One can always hope that this is the last of a series of injuries that the young man will suffer but we won't be holding our collective breaths.

I hope they take a lot of time before bringing him back onto the park; a few weeks here or there will not signify in the long run.

As I have said before: it is ironic that the injury to this fine young player saw AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) move to 13 for the Wallabies, giving Beale his chance to start at 15. Such is life; but we need him back in the Wallaby stable and that means Horne having a healthy Super season.
 
Elfster

Elfster

Alex Ross (28)
BrumbiesPolynesian said:
AS good a halfback as Grayson Hart is, there is a halfback playing in Canberra for Royals who forced Hart to move to Northland a few seasons ago due to him not being picked as 1st choice Halfback @ Club Level. I think if Waratahs are serious about a halfback replacement, I think they should look at Scott Patterson. He is good enough from what I have seen to play a higher level...best pass in my opinion in the club comp, and played most of the season with a crook shoulder which was operated on in the off season...good enough to attract interest from the NZ Warriors also. I hope Brumbies pick Patterson up, he and Nic White of our Whites could be the future for the Brumbies.
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Didn't the Brumbies pick-up Stirzaker? He isn't such a bad half...though quite young
 
Lee Grant

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Good all round scrummie this kid, but too young to be compared to Hart as Elfster indicates. He was in the Oz 2009 Oz Schools team and then had a gap year IIRR; so he's played bugger all rugby since he last walked out of the school gates at Knox.

Watch this space on Zacker though; watch this space.
 
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