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Waratahs 2011

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Geoff Shaw (53)
Ofa does pose a question doesn't he. Any rumours?

He has been picked up by the Tongan National Team to tour Europe as there was no interest from a super 15 team.[/QUOTE]

Does that make him ineligible as he'd have to be a marquee player?

That's silly. There should be concessions made for Australian products who choose to play in countries of their ancestry.
 
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Spectator101

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Not sure how it works, but if the Super 15 teams rosters are full then you have to try elsewhere. Tonga are playing Italy A and the French Barbarians in November.
 
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Does that make him ineligible as he'd have to be a marquee player?

That's silly. There should be concessions made for Australian products who choose to play in countries of their ancestry.

That's a scary thought considering the amount of kiwis and Islanders in the Australian Super Rugby squads
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
That's a scary thought considering the amount of kiwis and Islanders in the Australian Super Rugby squads

I really doubt that someone like 2007 Genia or 2009 Ma'afu who are young and building will runaway to represent a less competitive nation that they aren't born in. Players know they have to build towards their Wallaby honours.

What we may see is blokes like the other Ma'afu and Nadolo sticking around for a few more years to develop on our shores and enriching our competitions depth as a result of it.
 

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Rocky Elsom (76)
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Not sure how it works, but if the Super 15 teams rosters are full then you have to try elsewhere. Tonga are playing Italy A and the French Barbarians in November.

is that all they are playing? Well then....I wonder if he will be ineligible then.

If he doesn't play against Italy A, he may well be. I believe it is only test matches, legitimate A games (eg Tonga A v Italy A) and of course 7s.

If he plays those 2 games he may still be un-tied to anyone.
 
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TOCC

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I really doubt that someone like 2007 Genia or 2009 Ma'afu who are young and building will runaway to represent a less competitive nation that they aren't born in. Players know they have to build towards their Wallaby honours.

What we may see is blokes like the other Ma'afu and Nadolo sticking around for a few more years to develop on our shores and enriching our competitions depth as a result of it.
You never know what the lure of a RWC could do, say it's 2011 and someone young like Kimani Sitauti knows he won't make the Wallabies, and then Tonga come knocking offering him the chance to play in the RWC... There's every chance it could happen

*except Kimani is capped at Aussie 7's so that can't technically happen, it's just an example

It happens all the time with league, New Zealand and the island countries get the players young, then in a few years the layers realize that they are actually good enough to play in the State of Origin and get all upset when they can't because you need to be elegible for Austrlia to play In the SOO these days.

The central contracting system in place in Austrlia goes a long way to prevent this, however that's slowly starting to change with the Marquee and foreign player rules.
 

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Geoff Shaw (53)
You never know what the lure of a RWC could do, say it's 2011 and someone young like Kimani Sitauti knows he won't make the Wallabies, and then Tonga come knocking offering him the chance to play in the RWC... There's every chance it could happen

*except Kimani is capped at Aussie 7's so that can't technically happen, it's just an example

It happens all the time with league, New Zealand and the island countries get the players young, then in a few years the layers realize that they are actually good enough to play in the State of Origin and get all upset when they can't because you need to be elegible for Austrlia to play In the SOO these days.

The central contracting system in place in Austrlia goes a long way to prevent this, however that's slowly starting to change with the Marquee and foreign player rules.

I doubt it would happen often but you are right, it could.

Even still would a bloke with Wallaby prospects seeking a quick WC fix be someone the Wallabies would want?
Another point would be, if he is still the same player he was the year before there is no reason he won't be as valid of a Super squad member regardless of who he is capped with.

I don't think it happens that way in league at all TOCC. They have a very open-shut national representative system. Hayne played in the RL WC for Fiji 1 or 2 years before his break out SoO season which led to a few Aussie test caps. Also, LT captained Fiji to a RL WC and he played an international fixture for Australia against PNG just this week. There is a rule that it has to be a year apart or something but they give concessions on the basis of what's better for the spectacle.
 
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I doubt it would happen often but you are right, it could.

Even still would a bloke with Wallaby prospects seeking a quick WC fix be someone the Wallabies would want?
Another point would be, if he is still the same player he was the year before there is no reason he won't be as valid of a Super squad member regardless of who he is capped with.

I don't think it happens that way in league at all TOCC. They have a very open-shut national representative system. Hayne played in the RL WC for Fiji 1 or 2 years before his break out SoO season which led to a few Aussie test caps. Also, LT captained Fiji to a RL WC and he played an international fixture for Australia against PNG just this week. There is a rule that it has to be a year apart or something but they give concessions on the basis of what's better for the spectacle.

No, it is definetly the rule, they have made exemptions for the past two RLWC's to allow players to switch allegiances to ensure the competitiveness of the smaller nations. The only other way around the rule is if a player doesnt represent a national team for 3 years, he is then allowed to switch teams. One of the NSW players just did that recently, cant think of his name off the top of my head, but its definetly the case.

have a look at this link, pretty much sums up what ive been saying the whole time
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/origin-dreams-take-a-big-hit/story-e6frexnr-1225937866116
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
No, it is definetly the rule, they have made exemptions for the past two RLWC's to allow players to switch allegiances to ensure the competitiveness of the smaller nations. The only other way around the rule is if a player doesnt represent a national team for 3 years, he is then allowed to switch teams. One of the NSW players just did that recently, cant think of his name off the top of my head, but its definetly the case.

have a look at this link, pretty much sums up what ive been saying the whole time
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/origin-dreams-take-a-big-hit/story-e6frexnr-1225937866116

Fair enough.

They make a bucket of concessions then so one can understand why I would think that would be the rule.

Off the top of my head I can name Kaufusi and Hayne as players that have played Origin and Internationally for a Pasific Island within a year of each other.
 

Eyes and Ears

Bob Davidson (42)
I know but I thought he got a temp transfer to cover the Tahs when they lost TPN and Frier leaving Fitz as the lone senior Hooker. Might be wrong (gasp) there.

Luke Holmes was cut by the Force at the end of 2009. I don't believe there is an "on loan" concept in Aust. I understand that he didn't attract much os interest, so he joined the Tahs as Hooker No 4.
 

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John Eales (66)
Sheehan was borrowed like a library book from the Tahs Academy yonks ago and later accepted a Reds contract for the following year.

Nathan Charles was borrowed by the Force from the Brumbies last year to and later accepted a contract for 2011.

I know the Sheehan one was on the basis that he should be returned if the Tahs needed him and it may have been the case with Charles also.

I can't remember a case where a full contracted player was borrowed but there may have been one in the past.
 

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Rocky Elsom (76)
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Shirvo on the wing?

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Rocky Elsom (76)
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What do you call a broken.

Rising Wallabies star Rob Horne's World Cup dreams are hanging by a thread after it was revealed the talented youngster could be sidelined until June following elbow surgery.

The injury-plagued centre played six Tests for the Wallabies this season after making his long awaited international debut against Fiji.

But just as the 21-year-old's luck looked to have changed, a season-ending injury to his right elbow suffered against the All Blacks in July left his immediate Test future in severe doubt.

Horne, who has been plagued by hamstring and groin injuries since bursting on to the Super rugby scene as an 18-year-old, completed the Waratahs' first official pre-season fitness session under the guidance of former Olympic sprinter Matt Shirvington on Monday.

But although he moved freely throughout the gruelling workout, coach Chris Hickey confirmed Horne may be forced to watch the bulk of the 2011 Super Rugby season from the sideline.


"It was a fairly serious injury and unusual surgery that needed to be done," Hickey said.

"The medical advice is that he could be right by February but it could take until June."

"It's one of those things that we're not really going to know until February."

If Horne is sidelined until June his hopes of forcing his way into Robbie Deans' 30-man World Cup squad will be slim at best.

A June return would leave him only a handful of provincial games to press his claims for the four-match Tri Nations campaign beginning in July.

And with Brumbies utility Adam Ashley-Cooper having excelled in the No.13 jersey since taking over, Horne would likely have to rely on injury to reclaim his starting spot if selected in the Wallabies squad.

Meanwhile, Horne's possible absence could be good news for Waratahs recruit Ryan Cross who returns to his home state following a four-year stint with the Western Force.

The former Sydney Roosters centre is the obvious choice at outside centre for the Waratahs if Horne is unavailable.

And the opportunity to feature in a star-studded backline and potentially force his way back into Wallabies calculations is not lost on the 31-year-old.

"Obviously he (Horne) had a good year last year and he was the Wallabies 13 before he got injured, so that's a spot I'll look at," Cross said.

"Obviously the backline was pretty strong last year so there's going to be a bit of competition for spots but hopefully I can just train well and hopefully find a spot."

"I played a lot of 12 last year and obviously I can play 13, so anywhere I can fit in will be good."

"As long as you're in a team going well I don't think it matters (what position you play), so hopefully I can get in there somewhere ... hopefully we can play well and that's why I came back, to win a comp."

In other injury news, Hickey expects the bulk of his squad, including Wycliff Palu (knee) and Tatafu Polota-Nau (ankle) to be available for the opening round of the competition.

"They're both completing rehabilitation phases of their training and in the next week or two they'll both be fully able to partake of the pre-season program and by February they'll be fully fit and ready to play," Hickey said of the Wallabies duo.

Skipper Phil Waugh (knee) is also expected to resume training in the coming weeks while veteran prop Al Baxter (neck) trained with the squad on Monday having been cleared by his specialist last month.
 

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Peter Fenwicke (45)
I really feel sorry for the bloke. While AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) seems to have 13 at the Wobs sewn up he looks to have great potential in gold and I'd really like to see him have a great S15 next year too.

Here's hoping.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I think he's one the most talented blokes we've ever produced, I'd hate to see his career keep being derailed with injuries
 

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George Gregan (70)
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The elbow is the most complicated joint, the purchase of Cross appears to make more sense as potential coverage - hopefully he can get back some form.
 
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