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Wallaby Watch 2014
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Mark Ella (57)
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Only one game.........
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
There's a lot of desire on these boards to see To'omua at 10. Much of it stems from the desire to see a 10 who plays a conservative, field position game (Jakeball if you like). But that is not the gameplan that Australia (McKenzie and Pulver specifically) want to play. If it was, Jake White would be national coach, not Link and To'omua would be first pick at 10.
McKenzie's gameplan involves a hard-working aerobic pack, an adventurous fly-half with a conservative, hard running inside centre who can also distribute and a ball -carrying, tackle breaking outside centre. These are coupled to a fullback and two wingers who are able to run and play in company. Not necessarily out and out speedsters, but capable of busting the line. This was developed on the EOYT, and as the tour progressed the team was playing the system particularly well.
No Australian Super team is playing this system. The Brumbies are playing Jakeball, the Force have developed a conservative defensive gameplan that relies on them forcing turnovers and then using a multiple phases to break down the opposition. The Reds have no discernible system and the Rebels are playing a Force-type defence, but are looking to be adventurous in attack. At first glance you might say the Tahs are similar, but the Tah game is based on raw power to get over the advantage line with two attacking playmakers to provide opportunities for the power players to break the line. McKenzie seems to value workrate over power, which is why Douglas is heading overseas.
Unless Link changes the gameplan, I cannot see him putting To'omua anywhere but 12 because the gameplan requires an adventurous flyhalf. Cooper, Beale and Foley fit that specification. Lilo could if he could find his 2012 form again, but because he's playing the Brumby system this is unlikely to happen. My own opinion is that he has cruelled his Wallaby career by not moving to the Rebels next year. Loyalty is not always a good trait, it can blind you to better opportunities.
The biggest risk is that while we have three good back up 10's all the candidates as back-up 12 are severely limited in some way or other. You could say that Beale, Horne, Godwin, McCabe and Inman have some of To'omua's characteristics; but none of them have all. Godwin possibly has the most but he is crocked. So lets hope the injury gods are merciful till Godwin recovers. For every other backline position we have got at least two competent replacements except 12.
McKenzie's gameplan involves a hard-working aerobic pack, an adventurous fly-half with a conservative, hard running inside centre who can also distribute and a ball -carrying, tackle breaking outside centre. These are coupled to a fullback and two wingers who are able to run and play in company. Not necessarily out and out speedsters, but capable of busting the line. This was developed on the EOYT, and as the tour progressed the team was playing the system particularly well.
No Australian Super team is playing this system. The Brumbies are playing Jakeball, the Force have developed a conservative defensive gameplan that relies on them forcing turnovers and then using a multiple phases to break down the opposition. The Reds have no discernible system and the Rebels are playing a Force-type defence, but are looking to be adventurous in attack. At first glance you might say the Tahs are similar, but the Tah game is based on raw power to get over the advantage line with two attacking playmakers to provide opportunities for the power players to break the line. McKenzie seems to value workrate over power, which is why Douglas is heading overseas.
Unless Link changes the gameplan, I cannot see him putting To'omua anywhere but 12 because the gameplan requires an adventurous flyhalf. Cooper, Beale and Foley fit that specification. Lilo could if he could find his 2012 form again, but because he's playing the Brumby system this is unlikely to happen. My own opinion is that he has cruelled his Wallaby career by not moving to the Rebels next year. Loyalty is not always a good trait, it can blind you to better opportunities.
The biggest risk is that while we have three good back up 10's all the candidates as back-up 12 are severely limited in some way or other. You could say that Beale, Horne, Godwin, McCabe and Inman have some of To'omua's characteristics; but none of them have all. Godwin possibly has the most but he is crocked. So lets hope the injury gods are merciful till Godwin recovers. For every other backline position we have got at least two competent replacements except 12.
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John Eales (66)
is there any real speculation that Giteau may return for 2015?
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Mark Ella (57)
@ Hawko
Agree 100% mate except for the part aout Beale being an adventurous 10. Adventurous and and a supremely skilled player, but like Bob Dwyer has stated a few times (most recently in this week's blog article) I do not see him as a 10. He is too individualistic and IMHO whist he has added to the Tahs attack at times this year he has hampered it on as many. I think Chieka has Beale and Horne in the wrong positions and the Tahs would function better with them reversed and Beale playing a roving game.
I sincerely hope that Beale is on the bench for the Wallabies, the thought of him at 10 makes my blood run cold. I would rather a conservative game plan with To'omua at 10.
Agree 100% mate except for the part aout Beale being an adventurous 10. Adventurous and and a supremely skilled player, but like Bob Dwyer has stated a few times (most recently in this week's blog article) I do not see him as a 10. He is too individualistic and IMHO whist he has added to the Tahs attack at times this year he has hampered it on as many. I think Chieka has Beale and Horne in the wrong positions and the Tahs would function better with them reversed and Beale playing a roving game.
I sincerely hope that Beale is on the bench for the Wallabies, the thought of him at 10 makes my blood run cold. I would rather a conservative game plan with To'omua at 10.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
I actually think Link has Foley assigned to 10; you may remember in the Rugby HQ interview he stated that even when Cooper was still uninjured, Foley was in his squad. Either that means Cooper was already out (unlikely) or that Beale was the addition when Cooper went down. Speculating, I know, but I think Link had Cooper and Foley at 10 and Beale as back-up to Izzy. When Cooper went down, Beale was moved to back-up 10.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Moore to be announced as captain........?
And Sharpe is also backing Moore for the captaincy..........
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/moores-the-man-for-wallabies-sharpe-20140529-396l9.html
And Sharpe is also backing Moore for the captaincy..........
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/moores-the-man-for-wallabies-sharpe-20140529-396l9.html
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Chilla Wilson (44)
I think our best option is Foley at 10 & To'omua at 12.
The people getting hung up on how To'omua is one of the form 10's need to look at the system that the Brumbies employ. Yes he wears the no 10 on his back, but he plays like no other 10 in Australia. IMHO that is as much about the game plan the Brumbies play as about his individual talents.
The people getting hung up on how To'omua is one of the form 10's need to look at the system that the Brumbies employ. Yes he wears the no 10 on his back, but he plays like no other 10 in Australia. IMHO that is as much about the game plan the Brumbies play as about his individual talents.
OK I just watched the Rebels/Tahs game, first Super match I have seen in a while. But you could take a lot out of it re Wallabies I thought.
Foley has to be 10 over Beale. Jeez he was good, admittedly with space and momentum every time he touched the ball. I just love his simplicity- no jinks or frills, just plays flat and takes the ball forward before distributing well to the men outside him.
Is Nick Phipps the form Aussie 9? I don't think there is a better quick-ball halfback in Australia. He is certainly underrated for mine, not that I would pick him.
Palu and Jones both have to start. Inman was also very good, and I hope he is given a chance if we get a few injuries.
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Foley has to be 10 over Beale. Jeez he was good, admittedly with space and momentum every time he touched the ball. I just love his simplicity- no jinks or frills, just plays flat and takes the ball forward before distributing well to the men outside him.
Is Nick Phipps the form Aussie 9? I don't think there is a better quick-ball halfback in Australia. He is certainly underrated for mine, not that I would pick him.
Palu and Jones both have to start. Inman was also very good, and I hope he is given a chance if we get a few injuries.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
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John Thornett (49)
Thanks for the offer, I'm ok. It's not so much getting the games but having the time/opportunity to download and watch them.
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Nah, it's just the travelling. I do plenty of both of those at home too, and still find time to watch the games.
If Foley is 10, I would have White as 9, he adds a long kicking game from hand and place.
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Jason Little (69)
Will Genia showed a welcome return to form against the Highlanders tonight.
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