Wallabies Watch
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Hahha I have always rated MMM and believe the 1 game in 10 years is a bit rough. As I said if I was picking the team at the moment, havent seen enough of quirk. 4 games in and after being pretty quiet against the brumbieswhat happened to the ascendant Quirk? 1 game from McMeniman in 10 years and the guys international career is over.
People say I'm a hard marker
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Did you watch the Tah / Brumbies game? Smith was immense and he was the best 7 last week. His stats justify that opinion and he was selected in the team of the week from the SMH by Paul Cully. Round 1 went to Pocock as well. I haven't seen the Brumbies game this week to comment on Smith but Gill had a very good 40 mins against the Force. Was quiet second half and ultimately the Force won the breakdown battle - Gill was a lone ranger for the Reds. He needs more support.
That's a relative measure
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Can the Wallabies carry both Palu and Auelua in the 22 (40 mins of Palu then 40 mins of Fotu sounds nasty)?
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Jim Lenehan (48)
people on this board should be realistic. Smith is technically not eligible to play for the Wallabies this year. I could see him playing if we really needed him, but we have two world class no.7s that have been in the wallabies set up the last 24 months, both are great options. Smith's form has been good over the last two games, but not so good that he should leapfrog two younger, hungrier players.
I underline the word hungry because Goerge Smith decided he'd rather go overseas than play in the world cup.
In terms of the Stats, well im not sure about that. the Fox sport Fantasy Rugby stats show Gill has the second best stats out of all backrowers in the comp. Goerge Smith's stats arent yet that impressive, he's simply playing with a much more impressive side atm.
I underline the word hungry because Goerge Smith decided he'd rather go overseas than play in the world cup.
In terms of the Stats, well im not sure about that. the Fox sport Fantasy Rugby stats show Gill has the second best stats out of all backrowers in the comp. Goerge Smith's stats arent yet that impressive, he's simply playing with a much more impressive side atm.
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To suggest he's not hungry after 100+ test for Wallabies is crazy talk
. Deans squeezed him out and he tried to do the same to Sharpe - Deans ended crawling back on his knees to Sharpie. Smith is damn hungry. He's back playing for the Brumbies and earning bugger all. That's the very measure of hunger to play. Not for last week, Smith made more tackles and more turnovers in less minutes. Smith only has one week of stats for super rugby posted on the fantasy site. You suggested he isn't hitting form which is not the case.
Pocock also outplayed Gill in round 1. He broke the Reds with his turnovers in the second half. Gill is carrying the Reds pack at the moment so in fairness it's hard to compare.
Smith is not eligible for the Wallabies at this stage so I would pick Gill at 7 for Australia. In no way am I trying to suggest Gill has not been excellent but it would be great for the Wallabies to have Smith's experience and the ARU should push hard to sign him up for the series against the Lions. Let's hope Gill, as a rookie, can do what Smith did in 2001.
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Qwerty, can we carry both Fotu and Cliff in the Wallabies 22 ?
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Tony Shaw (54)
I don't know where it can be found in the laws of the game that a 10 has to be the goalkicker. Lots of teams over the years have had someone in another position take the kicks for goal. Why, both Larkham and Ella, our two greatest 10's, were not regular goalkickers.
If a 10 can control a game well, put his players into space, defend, run and loop well then he can place kick like Gill left footed for all I care.
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Tony Shaw (54)
I still yearn for the days that a Pig kicks again a la Eales.
Sir Arthur Higgins
Dick Tooth (41)
On form i choose:
Alexander
Moore
Palmer
Douglas
Pyle/Fardy
Higgers
Gill
Mowen
Genia
JOC (James O'Connor)
Diggers
Lealifano
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
Tomane
Mogg
Robinson
Slipper
TPN
MMM
Aluea
White
Beale - he needs to focus on staying healthy. l
Tapuai/Inman/Cummins. tough call for me between these three. cummins would get it for a bit more diversity.
Alexander
Moore
Palmer
Douglas
Pyle/Fardy
Higgers
Gill
Mowen
Genia
JOC (James O'Connor)
Diggers
Lealifano
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
Tomane
Mogg
Robinson
Slipper
TPN
MMM
Aluea
White
Beale - he needs to focus on staying healthy. l
Tapuai/Inman/Cummins. tough call for me between these three. cummins would get it for a bit more diversity.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
To suggest he's not hungry after 100+ test for Wallabies is crazy talk
Why does the fact that someone has played a lot of test for Australia mean they are hungry?! Smith was certainly hungry at one point. As soon as he was made to sit on the bench behind pocock he called it a day. I'm not having a go at Smith. He's a legend. But if his primary goal is to play for the Wallabies he should be playing rugby full time in Australia.
The Lions tour represents a great opportunity for a player like Gill or Hooper to announce themsleves on the world stage (much like Smith did many years ago). These are the guys that are going to be taking the Wallabies to the next world cup not Smith. Smith has been there, done that, and I'm sure he'd probably admit he doesn't have the desire that he once did. I agree that having Smith in our squad would be a plus, I'd just hate to see Hooper/Gill move to the bench for him. If anything I'd like to see it the other way around [/quote]
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
How is Genia in form? He's played 40 mins
I believe in the 160 minutes of rugby I've seen of smith watching closely (a former open side) that he has shown he as good as he has ever been if not a bit fitter. For me that trumps hooper and Gill.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
On form, you'd be hard pushed to name other then the Ponies and a couple of invited guests.
While you are doing that, then perhaps you should also select similar for the Team Management.
While you are doing that, then perhaps you should also select similar for the Team Management.
Forcefield
Ken Catchpole (46)
That's a complicated one. It depends on how you see our players. I reckon we should use Lealiifano as a 12. I reckon O'Connor and Beale should stay as outside backs. We would probably play Quade at 10 the moment and he isn't what I would call a reliable goalkicker. We played Beale at 10 last year and he isn't that flash either. Barnes played 10 a couple of times against Wales and he kicks well but he doesn't offer all that much else.
So what if we had Godwin as a 10. The our list of goal-kickers could be 1) James O'Connor 2) Christian Lealiifano 3) Kurtley Beale. You could also use the likes of Nic White as a kicker off the bench (assuming Genia starts). You might have Barnes on the bench too.
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
Respecting the thread title:
Gill is the form 7 of the Aust in the Super rugby (that's super rugby)
Smith can lay claims to being one of the best 7's in international rugby.
A week and a half with a team, playing 70 minutes and landing the SMH 7 of the round suggests he is still up there.
Last night he played the full 80 against an unbeaten team and caused trouble for the opposition in and around the ruck.
He leaves Gill for dead with ball in hand and versatility.
I can't wait to see Smith v Gill - I think smith with give him a lesson, a lesson that will be valuable for years to come.
Smith will bring more to the Wallabies than Deans does, and for that reason I'd like to see him starting, but I think the squad would benefit from his experience and composure and that shouldn't be over looked.
Gill is the form 7 of the Aust in the Super rugby (that's super rugby)
Smith can lay claims to being one of the best 7's in international rugby.
A week and a half with a team, playing 70 minutes and landing the SMH 7 of the round suggests he is still up there.
Last night he played the full 80 against an unbeaten team and caused trouble for the opposition in and around the ruck.
He leaves Gill for dead with ball in hand and versatility.
I can't wait to see Smith v Gill - I think smith with give him a lesson, a lesson that will be valuable for years to come.
Smith will bring more to the Wallabies than Deans does, and for that reason I'd like to see him starting, but I think the squad would benefit from his experience and composure and that shouldn't be over looked.
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