Wallabies vs England, Sydney, 3rd Test, 25 June @ 8:00pm

[TOCC]

From Twitter:

Ben McCalman has a fractured scapula, out for 4-6 weeks. Leroy Houston joins the squad.

 

[RedsHappy]

England with coaching inputs so far from:

Andrew Johns
George Smith
One of the Ellas (can't remember which).

When is the ARU going to use the countless resources lying on its door step?

The Waratahs / Wallabies attacking structures (second man plays) have really taken a lot from similar structures (Cheika even admitted this during his time at the Tahs) - get some of these legends in to work with our halves. Supplement these with the Ellas etc.

Get Brad Thorn down from Queensland and George Smith to work with the forwards.

Get some AFL legends down to help with the kicking.

Just fucking get anyone who can inspire the players and have an input. Why we aren't doing these things confounds me.

Spot on Michael. I have been talking about this for ages.

One day it will be realised that 'the invisible player' in these two Test debacles was/is our Wallaby coaching group, and so very clearly its depth and calibre have been found wanting in 2016. It's a bigger problem than some of the poor player skills on display.

EJ (Eddie Jones) has learnt - like G Henry and others before him - that the complete calibre and depth of specialist coaching within the national coaching group is crucial to sustained Test success against the best and best-coached national teams.

The ARU has refused to learn this lesson. Now the price for its ignorance and denial is being paid as we have to compete against the best teams, when they are well coached and with deep coaching resources, as England under EJ (Eddie Jones) is now skilfully assembling.

 

[KOB1987]

More than likely Palu will start now and I think that was probably the most sensible option anyway. Interesting to see if Houston gets a spot in the 23 now.

 

[Brumby Runner]

From Twitter:

Ben McCalman has a fractured scapula, out for 4-6 weeks. Leroy Houston joins the squad.

Feel sorry for McCalman suffering an injury, but maybe now we'll get to see if Leroy has the goods that saw Cheika encourage him to return and which lit up the interest of fans here.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Fucking mungo Andrew Johns. His name should have been expunged from ALL the record books in League for his 10 + years of self admitted drug use.

 

[Scrubber2050]

I read somewhere that some time back the Wallaby players wore a GPS unit to "track" their total metres run during a game. Does that still occur?
It would be an interesting stat

 

[mark_s]

At the start of this series, I was very confident it would be 2-1 but I wasn't sure who would win. But after the first two tests I fancy England's chances of sweeping.

We were a one trick pony in the first two tests. England worked that out after 20 mins of the first test but it took us 160mins. If I was chieka, I would focus on 3 things for the third test.

1. Discipline. Should be obvious. We can't keep giving away easy points or pissing the ref off.

2 variation and threat around the ruck to get England to draw defenders in. Traditionally we have had our 8 as a big boppa ball runner to do this given we don't maul much. We also used to have forwards running of our half back (ala gregan). But now we telegraph it by passing to a flat footed forward who may or may not be expecting it and is easily accounted for by the defence.

3. We also need to play field position and take points on offer. Not sure why we have been trying to run it from everywhere, don't we trust our line out? Is it because our kick chase is so crap? Our running game has actually been ok, but less will be more. Especially if the defence is unsure if we will spread it wide or not.

Will be another good game this week. England should be favourites but I hope we get up.



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[TOCC]

I read somewhere that some time back the Wallaby players wore a GPS unit to "track" their total metres run during a game. Does that still occur?
It would be an interesting stat

It's fairly common place and has been happening for years at Wallaby, Super Rugby and even NRC level, and it does more then just track GPS.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Inclined to think the GPS stats would be a good indicator of match fitness, but not of effectiveness. Most of the measured run metres would surely be getting from one ruck to the next.

 

[JJJ]

I'm not sure how some people are declaring TPN a better scrummager than Moore based on those tests. TPN has been coming on against either a tiring front row or 2nd-stringers. Maybe he is the better scrummager, but those two tests are hardly a fair basis for comparison.

As far as I can tell all Moore has done wrong so far is give away one silly penalty in defense of his halfback.

 

[Scrubber2050]

I'm not sure how some people are declaring TPN a better scrummager than Moore based on those tests. TPN has been coming on against either a tiring front row or 2nd-stringers. Maybe he is the better scrummager, but those two tests are hardly a fair basis for comparison.

As far as I can tell all Moore has done wrong so far is give away one silly penalty in defense of his halfback.

Think most would agree that Taf is the better scrummager and by far. Has been for years.

Moore generally is a much better thrower at lineouts and until recently (IMO) was also much more active around the field and for longer stints (he has a bigger motor) TPN was probably a more damaging runner and tackler but for much shorter time

 

[Scrubber2050]

Inclined to think the GPS stats would be a good indicator of match fitness, but not of effectiveness. Most of the measured run metres would surely be getting from one ruck to the next.

Agree but it would be interesting to see the run metres of players eg Hooper

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

At the start of this series, I was very confident it would be 2-1 but I wasn't sure who would win. But after the first two tests I fancy England's chances of sweeping.

We were a one trick pony in the first two tests. England worked that out after 20 mins of the first test but it took us 160mins. If I was chieka, I would focus on 3 things for the third test.

1. Discipline. Should be obvious. We can't keep giving away easy points or pissing the ref off.

2 variation and threat around the ruck to get England to draw defenders in. Traditionally we have had our 8 as a big boppa ball runner to do this given we don't maul much. We also used to have forwards running of our half back (ala gregan). But now we telegraph it by passing to a flat footed forward who may or may not be expecting it and is easily accounted for by the defence.

3. We also need to play field position and take points on offer. Not sure why we have been trying to run it from everywhere, don't we trust our line out? Is it because our kick chase is so crap? Our running game has actually been ok, but less will be more. Especially if the defence is unsure if we will spread it wide or not.

Will be another good game this week. England should be favourites but I hope we get up.



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A lot to agree with there Mark. We lacked any variation when we had the ball on the weekend. It was either one-out trucking it up into the teeth of the English defence or just going from side to side. We never got them going backwards. No changes of angle, no standing up defenders, no sniping from the ruck base and no pick and drive with blokes coming around the corner.

Frankly it was like watching the Force attack. All heart and desire, but no smarts. We really wanted to win that game but seemed to forget what we did to beat England last year. Granted both teams are different this year, but in the RWC we were switching play all over the place and had their defence tied in knots. We also played a smarter territory game too.

There is no good reason we can't do that again. It will require breaking up K-Squared and going back to our second playmaker formation, but that's something I prefer anyway.

 

[TOCC]

Inclined to think the GPS stats would be a good indicator of match fitness, but not of effectiveness. Most of the measured run metres would surely be getting from one ruck to the next.

The systems are far more capable then just a generic GPS tracker, the latest systems provide real time stream of stats to the coaching staff, they also measure acceleration, speed and the velocity of collisions. Coaches from other codes have spoken about using the info to help assist in managing fatigue and substitutions.

However the greatest benefit is managing training loads during the week, using heart rate monitors through all trainings to manage players fatigue levels, but also using cumulative tracking of distance covered to manage either under training or over training.

The sport science potential of it all is really quite astounding, and Australia is at the leading edge with Australian owned Catapult Sports recognised as the industry standard. I posted in another thread, the next step is to incorporate some of this data into improving the fan experience.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Forget the game of trying to second guess what TGC will be up to with his squad selections, and focus on the important stuff.

Where is the Pre-Game Live Wang taking place?

Can we rely on G&GR's resident Sommelier and Events Coordinator @Lindommer to organise a room at a suitable venue in the close proximity of Moore Park?

Soap Dodgers welcome provided they park their bloody swinging chariots outside.

 

[wamberal]

I read somewhere that some time back the Wallaby players wore a GPS unit to "track" their total metres run during a game. Does that still occur?
It would be an interesting stat

The Poms were definitely wearing them.

 

[Scrubber2050]

The systems are far more capable then just a generic GPS tracker, the latest systems provide real time stream of stats to the coaching staff, they also measure acceleration, speed and the velocity of collisions. Coaches from other codes have spoken about using the info to help assist in managing fatigue and substitutions.

However the greatest benefit is managing training loads during the week, using heart rate monitors through all trainings to manage players fatigue levels, but also using cumulative tracking of distance covered to manage either under training or over training.

The sport science potential of it all is really quite astounding, and Australia is at the leading edge with Australian owned Catapult Sports recognised as the industry standard. I posted in another thread, the next step is to incorporate some of this data into improving the fan experience.

Is any of the data available to the masses?????????

 

[terry j]

COMPLETELY off topic here.

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Why does there always appear 'sent from iphone' etc?? I doubt anyone on a forum would give a flying fuck where it comes from, and I doubt it is a 'forum thing' (?), so does that mean apple decided to always include that info???

If so, it really is only another form of advertising for iphones, and to be honest I take my hat off to the bloke that thought of it. Really quite genius.

Anyway, does anyone know why it is there exactly?

 

[Scrubber2050]

COMPLETELY off topic here.



Why does there always appear 'sent from iphone' etc?? I doubt anyone on a forum would give a flying fuck where it comes from, and I doubt it is a 'forum thing' (?), so does that mean apple decided to always include that info???

If so, it really is only another form of advertising for iphones, and to be honest I take my hat off to the bloke that thought of it. Really quite genius.

Anyway, does anyone know why it is there exactly?

Why ?

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[Marcelo]

From Twitter:

Ben McCalman has a fractured scapula, out for 4-6 weeks. Leroy Houston joins the squad.

Ooohhh, good luck for him. The scapula is a complicated zone, I've had problems there for years, is very difficult get a full recovery