Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
Hodge is an awesome 12
Wallabies v Springboks - Suncorp, Brisbane, 10th September 2016
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The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
What I find really odd is that no one seems to have taken the time to work with Folau and kicking. He can actually kick the ball a reasonable distance - it's just that he always kicks to the man - a la aussie rules. Nevertheless his actual mechanics of kicking the ball a distance are sound. Who'd have thought of using a fullback as our kicking exit strategy?
Note the high contact and follow-through which all but eliminates charge-downs and enables a spiral punt.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Fine all round rugby player. Went to a school (Manly Selective) which didn't play rugby (or any real competitive sport) - all his junior rugby with Manly JRU.
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
Yep, spot on rugby grass roots.Fine all round rugby player. Went to a school (Manly Selective) which didn't play rugby (or any real competitive sport) - all his junior rugby with Manly JRU.
dru
Tim Horan (67)
My bar tender (24yo) played rugger with him at Manly. By all accounts a great bloke well respected and his mates are pretty excited for this weekend.
I dont think he's locked to 12. Wing is fine. Mostly I just love his long distance goal kicking. Didnt look out of place at all.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
I hope he ends up at 12, he's a great talent, my point is he isn't necessarily the best option for the Wallabies to start there right now. For the record, he started there 5 times for the Rebels this year, Inman x 7, Ellison x 3. Who knows, wing might be his calling at this level.
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Mark Ella (57)
What I find really odd is that no one seems to have taken the time to work with Folau and kicking. He can actually kick the ball a reasonable distance - it's just that he always kicks to the man - a la aussie rules. Nevertheless his actual mechanics of kicking the ball a distance are sound. Who'd have thought of using a fullback as our kicking exit strategy?
Note the high contact and follow-through which all but eliminates charge-downs and enables a spiral punt.
Yep makes the charging player very wary about getting some studs in the face. Mind you with Folau's technique they'd be unlucky to get kicked in the shins and Foley is so slow he is lucky to get the ball to his boot sometimes.
Joe Blow
Peter Sullivan (51)
He was playing at 10 FP
Joe Blow
Peter Sullivan (51)
and not to mention a LH that was schooled in the NRC on the weekend is the reserve TH.
Cheika has lost the plot. It's test rugby for gods sake
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
and not to mention a LH that was schooled in the NRC on the weekend is the reserve TH.
Cheika has lost the plot. It's test rugby for gods sake
Yep..........
A LH who was schooled at TH, while the other Wobs TH bench option was doing a fairly tidy job.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Not surprised that Fardy isn't there. I mentioned a while back that he wasn't having the same impact on the collisions as previous seasons.
I think Mumm is a good option, but the constant changing at blindside places undue pressure on that player if the breakdown goes badly as 7 and 8 appear to be protected species.
I think Mumm is a good option, but the constant changing at blindside places undue pressure on that player if the breakdown goes badly as 7 and 8 appear to be protected species.
Froggy
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Well, I'm not surprised at the reaction, any time we are losing everyone gets pretty strident about selections.
Look, while it certainly wouldn't have been the side I would have picked, I can see his reasoning in each case.
Let's start with Moore, he's the captain, it would be very disruptive to change the captain mid-series (I would have).
There's not a huge gap between Sio & Slipper, Slipper runs a bit wider than Sio, maybe that's the factor.
Fardy's form has clearly been down, Mumm's has been good when he's come on (and I would say he has played about as much 6 as lock through his career).
I don't think the Pooper is why we are losing line-outs. It seems to me that during the AB's test it was either a shit throw, or they worked out where it was going and jumped in front of our man. If the ball doesn't get to the jumper (either cut off early or way over his head, it doesn't matter much who the jumper is.
Cooper at 10 and Foley at 12 is something Cheika thought could work (given the attrition rate of 12's). It didn't last week, but he may be inclined to give it a second chance before abandoning it (I would have Hodge there, and Godwin, at this stage, no-where near a test side).
DHP was one of our best against the Poms, he's obviously earned himself another chance.
As I say, not my team, but I can see a justification for each selection.
Look, while it certainly wouldn't have been the side I would have picked, I can see his reasoning in each case.
Let's start with Moore, he's the captain, it would be very disruptive to change the captain mid-series (I would have).
There's not a huge gap between Sio & Slipper, Slipper runs a bit wider than Sio, maybe that's the factor.
Fardy's form has clearly been down, Mumm's has been good when he's come on (and I would say he has played about as much 6 as lock through his career).
I don't think the Pooper is why we are losing line-outs. It seems to me that during the AB's test it was either a shit throw, or they worked out where it was going and jumped in front of our man. If the ball doesn't get to the jumper (either cut off early or way over his head, it doesn't matter much who the jumper is.
Cooper at 10 and Foley at 12 is something Cheika thought could work (given the attrition rate of 12's). It didn't last week, but he may be inclined to give it a second chance before abandoning it (I would have Hodge there, and Godwin, at this stage, no-where near a test side).
DHP was one of our best against the Poms, he's obviously earned himself another chance.
As I say, not my team, but I can see a justification for each selection.
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Jason Little (69)
But many more holes than in the games Kuridrani played No 13.
agreed, but despite his kicking being criticized, his general play was pretty good.
and I would suggest if Gits was still healthy he would still be at 10
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Yes, except for his kicking which was woeful
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
Kicking, I'm not a fan of kicking.
The best boot in the selected 15 is out on the wing.
Against the AB's QC (Quade Cooper) got kicked to plenty of times whilst he was out on the wing and was taken out of the play. He was switching between 10 and wing all game, and on quick turn over ball through error we got found out.
How many times did we string 7 phases.
How many times did we cross the add line 3 or more times in succession.
The best boot in the selected 15 is out on the wing.
Against the AB's QC (Quade Cooper) got kicked to plenty of times whilst he was out on the wing and was taken out of the play. He was switching between 10 and wing all game, and on quick turn over ball through error we got found out.
How many times did we string 7 phases.
How many times did we cross the add line 3 or more times in succession.
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
I better add & 10 to keep a specific reader happy - he played nearly all his rugby prior to 2015 @ 10 including in Aus teams.
You don't pick Foley if you want a kicking 10, just like you didn't pick Larkham if you wanted a goal kicking 10. You always build a side around the strengths and weaknesses of the each player. "If" Foley is 10, you need other kicking options, when Larkham was 10 you needed a goal kicker etc etc
And I have said before aus is never going to beat any decent side by having a game plan built around kicking, that isn't our strength, our backs and forwards have never had that off the ball workrate/attitude to do it effectively.
Anyway to me the backs argument is a smoke screen, our pigs haven't provided that consistent platform to build any pressure.
They can't win lineouts, can't provide dominant tackles, can't turnover enough ball, can't cleanout accurately.
Until that stuff is sorted all our backs will continue to look like the pants.
We need to build pressure, to create those mismatches and we simply haven't been
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