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Wallabies v Springboks, Sat 10th August 2.30pm AEST @ Suncorp,

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KOB1987

KOB1987

John Eales (66)
Lyall said:
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Not a question necessarily directed to you KOB but you mentioned the concussions. I counted four of our guys with head cuts/concussions - Frost, Williams, AAA and Gordon, there could've been more, is that a normal amount or am I reading too much into it?
I might as well ask while I'm here, twice I saw Marx's head pop out of the scrum first, one time at least a scrum penalty went against us afterwards, am I missing something there too?
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I am only going off the official release which said that Frost and Williams would be following the return to play protocols, which I inferred as meaning they won’t play next Sat as I think they are 13 days? I could be wrong but I don’t think any of ours players actually went off for a HIA. I can’t answer the scrum question but there are a few scrum doctors here who could .
 
Joe Blow

Joe Blow

John Hipwell (52)
Lyall said:
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Not a question necessarily directed to you KOB but you mentioned the concussions. I counted four of our guys with head cuts/concussions - Frost, Williams, AAA and Gordon, there could've been more, is that a normal amount or am I reading too much into it?
I might as well ask while I'm here, twice I saw Marx's head pop out of the scrum first, one time at least a scrum penalty went against us afterwards, am I missing something there too?
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I saw that too. We were penalised a couple of times when AAA popped up, once after the ball had left. Marx did pop up a few times but they were dominate and moving forward?
 
rugbyAU

rugbyAU

Bob Davidson (42)
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Strewthcobber

Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
I think you are probably talking about the scrums at 33:00 (AAA penalised for "popping") and then 34:14.

Marx does stand up in the second scrum as it disintegrated, but the Wallabies have already given up advantage (we never find out what for, but I imagine it because our pack is facing the sideline at that point)
 
Mr Pilfer

Mr Pilfer

Alex Ross (28)
At the end of the day we need to be realistic and accept we were never going to be a chance against the strong teams this year.
We sucked last year, we didn’t have a team make the final of super rugby and we barely beat wales and Georgia. Joe needs more time and hopefully can turn things around and maybe with stronger squads for reds and tahs next year some of the players will develop some winning habits.
 
Marce

Marce

John Hipwell (52)
TSR said:
There wasn’t actually that much difference in pack sizes and Frost & Lukhan are easily big enough to be effective locks, and likewise Valetini & Wilson in the back row. But a combination of factors mean they don’t have the same impact. Some of this are individual and the players need to be better. Some are about cohesion and execution.
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You can't teach to gain meters after contact. You are at that level or you aren't and sadly these players aren't at the same level of the current Springboks
 
dru

dru

David Wilson (68)
Slim 293 said:
I initially did because it was hard to pick another player from that team and he was good in those 26 mins…
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It was a game that finding players for the 3-2-1 was going to be a struggle, Slim. "Sigh...." was right.
 
Pfitzy

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
So, positives:

Scramble defence really good.
I thought the physicality was good in terms of effort if not execution.
The lineout fixes are relatively easy and will provide us more ball next time.
We've got another game together under our belts.
You learn more from a loss than a win
 
Adam84

Adam84

Rod McCall (65)
stillmissit said:
Watching that game a few things seemed obvious. AAA is not a top tier 3 and Lolesio can only play when we have a reasonable chance of holding their pack and giving him some space. Nongorr looked the goods, Frost and LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) played OK, Valetini was a handful in the 2nd half. The pack fought hard but poor in discipline. The backs were never given a chance without go forward ball and poor distribution from Gordon and Lolesio complicated issues.
#1 Lesson - Cut down the kicking, giving the ball to SA or NZ is a desperate act with little reward.
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attacking play was apples and oranges between the two teams..

Once the Wallabies realised they couldn't get the fast ball at the ruck and momentum through the forwards playing off the Gordon, they threw it out to the backs who either kicked it or looked lost for any kind of attacking enterprise. Springboks backline play was fluid at times, use of 2n’d playmakers and decoy runners had Wallabies defence on the back foot.
 
LeCheese

LeCheese

Greg Davis (50)
Dctarget said:
What happened to Wilson? People don't seem happy.
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I personally think some of the criticism is a bit overblown, but he only had an average game - was a bit ineffectual and made a couple of errors (as a result of playing his natural game pushing passes, etc. - might've been a different story if McReight was alongside him). Also probably exacerbated by the rest of the pack struggling as well.

It seems to me like he hasn't nailed the adaptation from Super to Test level with respect to his style of play. In saying that, I still expect Schmidt to pick him next week tbh.
 
Wilson

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
Dctarget said:
What happened to Wilson? People don't seem happy.
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He was fine, one bad miss tackle on the tryline after getting through a mountain of work. Problem seems to be people expecting players to generate a lot of go forward and impact of very flat play where we don't have the fluency in attack to be putting bodies in motion. Just about every player rating out there has him as one of the best performed wallabies (but only a 6ish out of 10).
 
Dctarget

Dctarget

Tim Horan (67)
Also read a lot of complaints here about Salakaia-Loto, missing 5 tackles which is pretty unforgiveable but got a decent rating over on Roar.
 
Wilson

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
Dctarget said:
Also read a lot of complaints here about Salakaia-Loto, missing 5 tackles which is pretty unforgiveable but got a decent rating over on Roar.
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He had a couple of bad misses, but I think some of the others may have been in cover where it shouldn't have been down to him. On the plus side he got through a lot of work on the carry, and was busy in the lineout (second most takes after Wilson). I don't think it was a great game for him overall, but he wasn't helped by concussions to both Frost and Williams meaning he played all but 2 minutes when he was probably intended to be the first lock subbed off. We finished the game with him and Wilson in the 2nd row for the last ~10 minutes.

I wouldn't mind seeing him in a bench role and just getting to rip in for ~30 minutes, but I'm not sure we can sacrifice the size from the starting pack.
 
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