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Wallabies 9-15 20-22

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Langthorne

Phil Hardcastle (33)
How many tests has JOC (James O'Connor) started at 12? I hope he starts and stays at 12 with the Force this year.

My minimum criteria was s14 experience at 12. JO'C has not played any tests at 12, but he did play the whole of the 2009 s14 season at 12, and played very well. But for a horror season of injuries at the Force, he may well have played there this season.
 

jay-c

Ron Walden (29)
if morty can make it back id love to have him there too> thou i doubt he'll make it
chambers wouls be ideal for me at 13 if we can sort out 12 but in a wc yr i fall into line with the jake white/clive woodward thinkin of big defensive centers who can bend the line and chambers' superior distribution puts him there over ashley cooper who i also feel has to be on for 80mins
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
Chambers? Given the options we're going with a 'zero test veteran'? I think he has potential, and did pretty well in his first year of professional rugby, but I thought we were thinking about the World Cup here, not an experimental side to take on one of the rugby minnows.

Langthorne,
Tuqiri did it in 2003 with less super rugby under his belt & ended up being our 2nd best player in the semi & probably our best in the final.
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
Lote was more of a mungo veteran though, right? And that really helps with handling pressure. I'm not sold on Chambers at 13 -- but it'd be great to see him, Horne and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) fighting for it. I reckon Morty, great as he was, is done and dusted.
 

Joe Blow

John Hipwell (52)
Beale was a 10 throughout his school boy career and it was in this position that he was noticed as a young boy.
He will end up closer to the action sooner or later.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Beale was a 10 throughout his school boy career and it was in this position that he was noticed as a young boy.
He will end up closer to the action sooner or later.

Affirming the consequent there a bit, Joe.
 

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
Are we selecting for the World Cup? 2011?

The Chambers experiment is very compelling and going by history, there is still enough time to blood one young rookie into the test team in a World Cup year. Look at 2003 - Tuquiri, and 2007 - Barnes. I do feel there is a place for him at the expense of someone more experienced. I also think J'OC could compliment him very well, however this all entirely depends on Quade becoming a tackling machine, fix this, and you get closer to answering the backline selections.

9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. Mitchell
12. J'OC (kicker)
13. Chambers
14. Ioane
15. Beale

20. Burgess
21. Giteau
22. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)

For me, the bench wins test matches. Build a very experienced bench with the likes of Giteau, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Vickerman, Alexander and other teams are going to dread coming out after half time.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Lote was more of a mungo veteran though, right? And that really helps with handling pressure. I'm not sold on Chambers at 13 -- but it'd be great to see him, Horne and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) fighting for it. I reckon Morty, great as he was, is done and dusted.

Do not forget Inman too, he was just as impressive as Chambers
 

Brumbies Guy

John Solomon (38)
9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. Mitchell
12. J'OC (kicker)
13. Chambers
14. Ioane
15. Beale

20. Burgess
21. Giteau
22. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)

For me, the bench wins test matches. Build a very experienced bench with the likes of Giteau, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Vickerman, Alexander and other teams are going to dread coming out after half time.

Not an overly fast back line, but with Cooper & O'Connor's creativity and some direct running/offloads from Chambers and Ioane in the midfield they should make up for it. Otherwise I'd be look at replacing Mitchell with Turner or Davies (if he learns to play rugby). Cooper Vuna could be a roughie if he brings his NRL form over and transitions well.
 

I like to watch

David Codey (61)
It appears that all is now forgiven with QC (Quade Cooper)?
I don't care what the stats say about last week. He has not improved at all.
He is still going too high usually, his footwork before contact is still no better.The only difference last week was that the Italians did not ask him enough questions.
The frogs will chew him up & spit him out.
BB should play 10 then either JOC (James O'Connor) or the forum fav @ 12.
We just cannot afford to give everyone a Cooper headstart anymore.
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
It appears that all is now forgiven with QC (Quade Cooper)?
I don't care what the stats say about last week. He has not improved at all.
He is still going too high usually, his footwork before contact is still no better.The only difference last week was that the Italians did not ask him enough questions.
The frogs will chew him up & spit him out.
BB should play 10 then either JOC (James O'Connor) or the forum fav @ 12.
We just cannot afford to give everyone a Cooper headstart anymore.

I just watched the replay and Cooper was substantially better in defence, taking most tackles head-on with his body in the way.
 

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
Not an overly fast back line

Mitchell, Ioane, Beale not fast enough for you? Not sure who you would put in to increase the speed without increasing the flakiness as well. I'm starting to believe that Turner is just a faster version of Hynes - doesn't have much game changing or winning ability. Davies is no where near at this stage.
 

I like to watch

David Codey (61)
Grouch, happy for you to disagree, but look at his body height at contact, he still stripped one which demonstrates he has not fundamentally changed anything.look at how he hit the no 8! he almost tackled him with his back! on quite a few occasions he seems to launch/drive too far away/too early.he needs to concentrate on little steps before contact.
There were a couple of examples where he came up too quick, realised it & stopped.Leaving him in no mans land. A better side would have exposed him yet again.
We'll see on the weekend I s'pose.
The problem I have is that once you are identified as a poor defender, it becomes self fulfilling.You have to tackle much more and when you miss one EVERYONE says see that, run at him again, and so it goes....
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
Grouch, happy for you to disagree, but look at his body height at contact, he still stripped one which demonstrates he has not fundamentally changed anything.look at how he hit the no 8! he almost tackled him with his back! on quite a few occasions he seems to launch/drive too far away/too early.he needs to concentrate on little steps before contact.
There were a couple of examples where he came up too quick, realised it & stopped.Leaving him in no mans land. A better side would have exposed him yet again.
We'll see on the weekend I s'pose.
The problem I have is that once you are identified as a poor defender, it becomes self fulfilling.You have to tackle much more and when you miss one EVERYONE says see that, run at him again, and so it goes....

Yeah mate, I have to agree his technique was bad. But for a change, he put his body on the line. I see a way forward.
 

I like to watch

David Codey (61)
Yep it was an improvement from a very low base. But until he starts putting his head near the locks knees, it is never going to work for him.
He has to go low, the backrowers come over the top not vice versa.
I am not that hopeful he can turn it around.
Link is important for QC (Quade Cooper)'s career, if he continues to hide him QC (Quade Cooper) is fucked, he will never improve if the team attitude is that is OK for QC (Quade Cooper) not to do the hard stuff.
However if Link demands that QC (Quade Cooper)'s holds his own, then he might be remediated.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Will Chambers huh...

Was he really that good this year?

Certainly wasn't as impressive as Horne... and not as good as AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)...
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
Will Chambers huh...

Was he really that good this year?

Certainly wasn't as impressive as Horne... and not as good as AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)...

this year? Really? I actually can't remember seeing Horne do too much this year. The fact no one picked him in their team in the above quoted article probably supports that. The fact Horne has now had half a dozen tests and still hasn't done anything will probably hinder him next year. He needs a kick arse S15.
 
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