Wallabies 2025

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Jamie Pandaram reporting NZRU might offer Schmidt a coaching consultant role for All
Blacks if not asked to stay on in similar role by RA

Joe "I swear I'm really going to retire this time" Schmidt

 

[Wilson]

From who? There has been nothing but positive talk from both Argentina and Leicester. Ben Youngs said Cheika is one of the best coaches he's ever had. He really hasn't put a foot wrong since he last coached the Wallabies so it seems people just have their view on Cheika and will refuse to ever change it

And it's pretty ironic that you consider ROG a contender considering his poor relationship with refs has cost him 20 weeks of suspensions so far in his young coaching career.

Cheika was banned as recently as October for his conduct with respect to match officials:

Cheika handed ban in new English club coaching role

www.rugby.com.au

 

[Tomthumb]

Cheika was banned as recently as October for his conduct with respect to match officials:

Cheika handed ban in new English club coaching role

www.rugby.com.au

We have gone over this, I'm talking about his relationships with the players and higher ups. Both in Argentina and Leicester he had nothing but good relationships. Which is contrary to this narrative being put out by some that he's some kind of madman behind the scenes

 

[Wilson]

We have gone over this, I'm talking about his relationships with the players and higher ups. Both in Argentina and Leicester he had nothing but good relationships. Which is contrary to this narrative being put out by some that he's some kind of madman behind the scenes

Cheika has generally always had good relationships with the players inside the tent, part of the problem is the way he discards the others. That works at club level because they move on and potentially for Argentina because they're spread around the world (though it does cause problems over time either way). It doesn't work so well in a setup like Australia where super and the wallabies are tightly coupled.

Beyond that his treatment of match officials is a pretty key part of the narrative, it speaks to his inability to control his temper to the detriment of his team and his ability to do his job.

I don't think it's unbelievable that he has changed and mellowed, but on the evidence he still has a ways to go. That might be ok if we had a strong structural foundation in the game here, but we're basically a year into a pretty complete rebuild of the professional structures of the game here. There just isn't room to gamble on cheika at the moment, the game can't bear the potential fallout.

 

[Yoda]

Cheika has generally always had good relationships with the players inside the tent, part of the problem is the way he discards the others. That works at club level because they move on and potentially for Argentina because they're spread around the world (though it does cause problems over time either way). It doesn't work so well in a setup like Australia where super and the wallabies are tightly coupled.

Beyond that his treatment of match officials is a pretty key part of the narrative, it speaks to his inability to control his temper to the detriment of his team and his ability to do his job.

I don't think it's unbelievable that he has changed and mellowed, but on the evidence he still has a ways to go. That might be ok if we had a strong structural foundation in the game here, but we're basically a year into a pretty complete rebuild of the professional structures of the game here. There just isn't room to gamble on cheika at the moment, the game can't bear the potential fallout.

Who do you suggest that his experience?

 

[griffins]

Cheika has generally always had good relationships with the players inside the tent, part of the problem is the way he discards the others. That works at club level because they move on and potentially for Argentina because they're spread around the world (though it does cause problems over time either way). It doesn't work so well in a setup like Australia where super and the wallabies are tightly coupled.

Beyond that his treatment of match officials is a pretty key part of the narrative, it speaks to his inability to control his temper to the detriment of his team and his ability to do his job.

I don't think it's unbelievable that he has changed and mellowed, but on the evidence he still has a ways to go. That might be ok if we had a strong structural foundation in the game here, but we're basically a year into a pretty complete rebuild of the professional structures of the game here. There just isn't room to gamble on cheika at the moment, the game can't bear the potential fallout.

Perfect summation.

 

[Tomthumb]

Cheika has generally always had good relationships with the players inside the tent, part of the problem is the way he discards the others. That works at club level because they move on and potentially for Argentina because they're spread around the world (though it does cause problems over time either way). It doesn't work so well in a setup like Australia where super and the wallabies are tightly coupled.

Beyond that his treatment of match officials is a pretty key part of the narrative, it speaks to his inability to control his temper to the detriment of his team and his ability to do his job.

I don't think it's unbelievable that he has changed and mellowed, but on the evidence he still has a ways to go. That might be ok if we had a strong structural foundation in the game here, but we're basically a year into a pretty complete rebuild of the professional structures of the game here. There just isn't room to gamble on cheika at the moment, the game can't bear the potential fallout.

My problem with this is you are ignoring or trying to explain all the evidence that doesn't fit your narrative. Every job he has had since he left the Wallabies has gone well and all reports from all involved have been positive

I get he's not a perfect candidate, but I find it weird that we bemoan the lack of world class coaches we have in Australia , then try desperately to nitpick an Australian coach that's viewed as world class everywhere else in the world

And if we are making Cheika ineligible due to his treatment of refs, we cant really have Ronan O'Gara as a candidate then can we

 

[Adam84]

Cheika’s management/coaching style seems to achieve success in the short term, but struggles longer term.

Since the Wallabies his coaching tenure at Argentina and Leicester were 18months or less… That’s concerning for me as the Wallabies can’t be looking for another coaching in 18months.

 

[Yoda]

Cheika’s management/coaching style seems to achieve success in the short term, but struggles longer term.

Since the Wallabies his coaching tenure at Argentina and Leicester were 18months or less… That’s concerning for me as the Wallabies can’t be looking for another coaching in 18months.

Why not? If he wins the Cup he can stay on!

 

[Adam84]

Why not? If he wins the Cup he can stay on!

Why isn’t he staying on with Leicester or Argentina?

 

[Ignoto]

From who? There has been nothing but positive talk from both Argentina and Leicester. Ben Youngs said Cheika is one of the best coaches he's ever had.

If we're that concerned with anecdotal evidence, both Quade and Scott Higginbotham said the polar opposite on Chieka.

 

[Braveheart81]

Since the Wallabies his coaching tenure at Argentina and Leicester were 18months or less… That’s concerning for me as the Wallabies can’t be looking for another coaching in 18months.

I think they probably should be looking for a short term coach.

My view is that you're appointing someone until the end of 2027 and then you're looking at promoting the best local candidate for the next four year cycle.

I think that's a combination of it being a big task for a local coach as their first international head coaching role with a short lead in to the 2027 RWC but also wanting to get to a position where it is viable to promote a Super Rugby head coach to Wallabies head coach.

The biggest risk to me is that if you promote a Super Rugby head coach this year then they are really up against it for the RWC and the likely outcome is that you are enter a QF as a pretty solid underdog. If you exit the RWC at the quarter final stage I don't think you're then extending that coach and you're also probably thinking twice about the replacement being another promotion from Super Rugby.

 

[Tomthumb]

Why isn’t he staying on with Leicester or Argentina?

Leicester have offered him a contract extension and he turned it down and the plan with Argentina was always for Contepomi to take over. Neither of these ended sourly

 

[Adam84]

Leicester have offered him a contract extension and he turned it down and the plan with Argentina was always for Contepomi to take over. Neither of these ended sourly

not suggesting they ended sourly… just interested whether he is reticent to take long term coaching roles these days, given the trajectory of the wallabies performances under his coaching tenure after 2015.

 

[JRugby2]

My problem with this is you are ignoring or trying to explain all the evidence that doesn't fit your narrative. Every job he has had since he left the Wallabies has gone well and all reports from all involved have been positive

I get he's not a perfect candidate, but I find it weird that we bemoan the lack of world class coaches we have in Australia , then try desperately to nitpick an Australian coach that's viewed as world class everywhere else in the world

And if we are making Cheika ineligible due to his treatment of refs, we cant really have Ronan O'Gara as a candidate then can we

To reiterate the points above - there is no doubt that the feedback of Cheika from the players he's coached is overwhelmingly positive. He is probably the best in the world at galvanising a team. But all of the public positive feedback is coming from his past players - so you have to take it with a grain of salt, and also you can't dismiss the fair criticism from people outside his circle that describe his style as abrasive and combative.

We were often the most penalised and carded team in world under his last run, and Leicester are now 4th most PKs and 1st most YCs under him this year.

 

[Tomthumb]

To reiterate the points above - there is no doubt that the feedback of Cheika from the players he's coached is overwhelmingly positive. He is probably the best in the world at galvanising a team. But all of the public positive feedback is coming from his past players - so you have to take it with a grain of salt, and also you can't dismiss the fair criticism from people outside his circle that describe his style as abrasive and combative.

We were often the most penalised and carded team in world under his last run, and Leicester are now 4th most PKs and 1st most YCs under him this year.

Yeah they are fair criticisms, I just don't think we should be dismissing the most credentialed coach available so quickly. And personally I think the Eddie comparisons aren't really fair to him

 

[Brumby Runner]

Why not? If he wins the Cup he can stay on!

Hey, we had that scenario last time around with Cheika. He had an understanding that if he won the 2019 (?) RWC, then he could elect to stay on. In the event, he didn't win but he had to be dragged out of the job. IIRC he was intent on staying on til he called it a day himself.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Hey, we had that scenario last time around with Cheika. He had an understanding that if he won the 2019 (?) RWC, then he could elect to stay on. In the event, he didn't win but he had to be dragged out of the job. IIRC he was intent on staying on til he called it a day himself.

He didn't have an understanding, he had a contract which said that he could extend if they won.

I don't think it particularly matters what the coach thinks, if his contract is up at the end of 2027, then it is what it is. He or she doesn't have a choice

 

[Braveheart81]

Hey, we had that scenario last time around with Cheika. He had an understanding that if he won the 2019 (?) RWC, then he could elect to stay on. In the event, he didn't win but he had to be dragged out of the job. IIRC he was intent on staying on til he called it a day himself.

His contract was up at the end of 2019. He announced the day after our quarter final exit that he wouldn't be seeking an extension to his contract (which wouldn't have been forthcoming regardless).

 

[Mr Pilfer]

My prediction is that Leon McDonald's "consulting" gig with the Force is just a way of getting him inside Australian rugby for the next few months as RugbyAU have him lined up for an assistant role after the rugby championship. So possibly that would mean a coaching team with Les Kiss would make sense.

Listened to an interview with Simon Cron this morning and it sounded like the move was for the benefit of Rugby Australia.

Was also pleased to hear Cron say that Joe Schmidt rings him after every Force game to debrief, I think that is what has made Joe such a good coach, that certainly didn't happen in the past and we tended to be forgot about over here (I understand winning also helps!)