Wallabies 2025
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But you'll also be pissed off if he's overlooked as Wallabies coach.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
No, not at all..
For two reasons, I'm not convinced he is the best choice for Wallabies and it leaves the Reds without a coach.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
Where is this narrative coming from?
First BR made similar comments and now you... I'm yet to find a Reds fan who wants Kiss to leave the Reds to coach the Wallabies. Something in the news down south we are missing?
TSR
Andrew Slack (58)
I’ll put my hand up and say I don’t know. Each option comes with its own issues. I don’t have a clear favourite. I don’t want Cheika as I don’t think he is either good short or long term option - I’ve already listed why I think that - but acknowledge other options all appear to have issues too.
It's not coming from anywhere and I wasn't being overly serious.
I think it's pretty natural that none of the fans want their coach to leave to coach the Wallabies but likewise it's also natural to think your coach is the best one so if they get beaten out to the job by Larkham/McKellar/Kiss then it's an unfair outcome.
I do think it's important to note that all these guys want the job so if one of them does get it, it's hard to blame RA for sabotaging that Super Rugby team.
Crashy
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
I was pretty shat off when RA pinched Cheika from the Tahs. He'd won a flag and I think we'd made the finals 2 years after. Then they gave him the Wallabies gig ( which had some pretty big ups and some lows) which I felt hurt the Tahs badly - I know there is a balance between rewarding good organically grown coaching against fucking over Supe teams. This chat about Kiss is a prime example.
dru
David Wilson (68)
It's actually quite easy. RA simply leave Kiss the fuck alone. And the rest of you non-Reds fans complaining that Reds fans are pushing Kiss for WBs, well get a life. I realise we live in a post-truth world but it is a false narrative.
This is why I think someone like Cheika makes sense for a two year appointment.
It gives all the Super Rugby teams continuity to build through to 2027 and then allows RA to pick the best option out of them to coach the Wallabies from 2028 onwards.
Would another coach like O'Gara take the job for two years knowing that it's unlikely you've got a chance to keep the job beyond the 2027 RWC?
It gives all the Super Rugby teams continuity to build through to 2027 and then allows RA to pick the best option out of them to coach the Wallabies from 2028 onwards.
Would another coach like O'Gara take the job for two years knowing that it's unlikely you've got a chance to keep the job beyond the 2027 RWC?
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Why is that?
You've elevated the skill of arguing for shit that sucks to a fine art form.
I would say that anyone getting a contract now is only going to get one that runs until the end of 2027 and while we're improving we're very likely to meet a quarter final opponent that is a solid favorite to beat us.
If the long term plan is to have an Australia that has largely developed out of Super Rugby coach the Wallabies then I wouldn't be offering an extension post the 2027 RWC to another coach unless the team did incredibly well at the RWC.
Maybe it is a good stepping stone for O'Gara though? He gets to coach his first international team through to a RWC and then has a crack to move to the Ireland job in 2028? Unless things went disastrously it improves his CV.
Jimmy_Crouch
Peter Johnson (47)
It was more that Cheika took all the backroom staff with him and left Gibson in a hole (who shouldn't have been the head coach anyway). At least RA has learned from these mistakes and is trying to build out some consistency.
Wilson
Rod McCall (65)
Any coach that comes in now knows nothing is guaranteed beyond 27, whatever their contract says. The ambitious ones (and let's be real, any head coach worth his salt at this level is hungry as all hell) will be pretty happy with that in writing, backing themselves to demonstrate their value and get a better deal (or their dream coaching gig elsewhere) after 27. There is risk in that, but I think the non-australians would also be pretty comfortable in that, knowing that failure would reflect more poorly on Australia than them, and at worst they could call it a learning experience.
Jimmy_Crouch
Peter Johnson (47)
Three more seasons of Super Rugby who knows if any of the current coaches still have jobs.
I would offer a 2 year deal as you have suggested (to Cheika or O'Gara) and assess again after the 2027 RWC.
Kiss and Larkham are contracted until the end of 2026 and McKellar to the end of 2027.
I reckon there's a pretty strong chance they all see out their contracts without being fired and a fair chance all three are there until the end of 2027 (unless one of them gets the Wallabies job).
Alex Sharpe
Ted Fahey (11)
Not even close to being out of the question in Today’s Aussie Rugby landscape
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
I dunno the general sentiment with Reds fans I’ve spoken too is that the 3 Aus Super Rugby coaches are fairly even and i don't think any of them beating the other would be an unfair outcome at this point… maybe that isn’t echoed by other fans interstate
But I also don't think any of them are the ideal candidate..
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
I'm obviously of a different mindset. I want all our Super franchises to go well but the priority is the Wallabies and if that means that the coach of [insert your favourite franchise] has to resign as he's seen as the best choice for the national gig, then so be it.
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dru
David Wilson (68)
For me Reds #1; WBs #2. That said if any of these locals pick up to to hit the final, then they are ready. I'd be pushing for Les to the WBs if he won the comp. (As I did for Link.) Not before when we are building to something (hopefully) impressive.
Note that in the past the Franchise HCs have generally had an excuse around the comparative strength of the squad lists. Right now for at least Qld, NSW and ACT that is no longer an excuse. Time for quality coaching to show through.