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Tri Nations Game 6 - Wallabies vs All Blacks - Saturday 27 August 2011 - 3N2011

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undercoverkiwi

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I back genias judgement to not bugger up his own career, and that of the medical professionals around him. I'm not sure it's a s big of a deal as you think, he copped a head knock, and was a bit off or dizzy, same thing has happened to me and it wasn't a concussion.
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Yeah, nah, that ain't smart, IMO. I've never heard of a test rugby player who wouldn't kill to get on the field in a game like tomorrow's. The player should be the last person whose judgement you rely on. I'm with T78 on this. It's madness that he's playing.
 
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undercoverkiwi

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Get used to it. All going well, he will be part of the push for RWC15.
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I will most certainly get used to it, I think it's a splendid idea.

But leaving 2015 aside, suggesting he should be in the Wallabies squad for this RWC is, IMO, pretty mad.
 
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daz

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undercoverkiwi said:
I will most certainly get used to it, I think it's a splendid idea.

But leaving 2015 aside, suggesting he should be in the Wallabies squad for this RWC is, IMO, pretty mad.
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Hmm. No, I think as an emergency backup, Deans could do worse. Inexperienced, yes, but hell, we pick players on form, right? Taps has that in spades....
 
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undercoverkiwi

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Hmm. No, I think as an emergency backup, Deans could do worse. Inexperienced, yes, but hell, we pick players on form, right? Taps has that in spades....
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Well, I haven't seen him since the S15 final, and even then I thought he was a pretty ordinary player. We'll have to agree to disagree on him, and I recognise you've seen a lot more of him than I have.

As a side though, this Wallaby team lacks experience so I'd be looking for guys that have some of that rather than rookies with a bit of form. I'm still amazed at the Giteau call.
 
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undercoverkiwi said:
As a side though, this Wallaby team lacks experience so I'd be looking for guys that have some of that rather than rookies with a bit of form. I'm still amazed at the Giteau call.
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Interesting point. I suppose there is always the challenge of getting the balance right between experience and fresh blood, but in regards the specific discussion of Gits, I have to say I'll take hungry young men willing to die for the jumper over a selfish me-merchant.

But I do agree that the RWC is not the time to be introducing new faces, unless absolutely necessary.
 
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undercoverkiwi

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Interesting point. I suppose there is always the challenge of getting the balance right between experience and fresh blood, but in regards the specific discussion of Gits, I have to say I'll take hungry young men willing to die for the jumper over a selfish me-merchant.

But I do agree that the RWC is not the time to be introducing new faces, unless absolutely necessary.
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I've tried to get to the bottom of this, is this the main issue? He was a disruptive influence on the team as a whole? Cause it seems to me (eye-patch on) that for the coach to let one of the world's finest players go the way of Giteau is a fail. No-one's really asked why Giteau was unhappy.

I've had question marks over Deans' "man-management" for a few years though so maybe this sort of thing just bubbles to the surface more readily with me.

Agree on the balance between youth and experience. Just think your current side is a wee bit far towards the youth side for my liking. If I was in your position, obviously.
 
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RuckinGoodStats

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If he is cleared by a "recognised" neurospecalists he can play. No-one knows what a "recognised" one is. So they would have got someone to clear through either CogSport or Impact testing or whatever they are using for a baseline pyscometric testing. Given the legal fight brewing in USA over putting concussed player back on the field they have better made the right call.
 
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RuckinGoodStats said:
And if they sell that $30 million tickets, NZRU still loss $39 million as a result of hosting the tournament.
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undercoverkiwi said:
Nonsense.
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You might want to do a little research before such a categoric denial. That is the best possible result for them.

Govt on target for NZ$39 mln Rugby World Cup loss, although 200,000 tickets still must be sold.

Granted this is not all attributable to the NZRU, but I understand they will be up for 1/3 of the total loss.
 
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Fair call. $13-20m NZRU worst case and $39-59m all up?

IRB don't take a hit though, cunning gentlemen that they are...
 
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RuckinGoodStats

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undercoverkiwi said:
So is the statement that the NZRU will lose $39m from the RWC true or not?
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It will be around that amount. Govt will share some. Won't know the real figure until the thing is over. If they don't move these 200,000 tickets then it will be bigger.
 
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RuckinGoodStats

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kiap said:
Fair call. $13-20m NZRU worst case and $39-59m all up?

IRB don't take a hit though, cunning gentlemen that they are...
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Yes we are all working very hard to make the IRB as much money as possible. I think the main revenue for NZRU is from ticket sales. All sponsorship goes to IRB. Bill for the expenses including IRB goes to NZRU. So Sneddon is considered succesful if he makes a $39million loss. Either way everyone knew this going into the bidding for the RWC.
 
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Muttonbird

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Considering he said on thr Rugby Club last night that they budgeted on 50'000 ticket sales in Australia and they are currently just short of 100'000, I doubt that is the case. Must be the NH crowds letting them down.
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Oh well. Conflicting reports, then. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
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