Tri Nations Game 6 - Wallabies vs All Blacks - Saturday 27 August 2011 - 3N2011

[Thomond78]

Looks like Genia will play.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/w...inst-new-zealand/story-e6frf55l-1226122639525

' "I think a lot has been made of it but it's not something's that too serious," Genia told reporters on Friday.'

Journos making something out of nothing? No, that could never happen!

("...not something's that too serious"? Crazy talk I know, but perhaps these journalists should learn some simple grammar/how to spell, it is rather important in their line of work.)

Go read the Concussion Regulations.

"Feeling in a fog" is one of the symptoms listed in Table 1 of those regulations. If you have it, you have a suspected concussion.

If you have a suspected concussion, you have to go through the GRTP Protocol. No ifs, buts, or maybes; you have to, no exceptions.

There are six steps in that GRTP Protocol. You need 24 symptom-free hours between each one before moving on to the next one.

That means five days before playing again.

He has had two suspected concussions in one week.

There is no way - no way - he can play without those IRB regulations being openly flouted.

 

[Thomond78]

Jesus that's no good. Tough little bastard or not, if he's got a concussion, he shouldnt' be on the field. Bigger things at stake than the 3N.

Fingers crossed (for you lot) that the doctors clear him.

No, he damn well shouldn't. Ask Benson Stanley. Or just follow the rules the IRB brought in in June to stop this.

 

[Scotty]

Luckily it was two Reds players that knocked into Genia. Wouldn't of heard the end of it here if they were Tahs players

Give it a rest, S15 team is over. One team now.

 

[barbarian]

On the basis of tonight it would appear Horne is the 22.

 

[Scotty]

On the basis of tonight, we could have done a lot worse than having Taps in the RWC squad. Left his run just a little late unfortunately.

 

[Ignoto]

Go read the Concussion Regulations.

There is no way - no way - he can play without those IRB regulations being openly flouted.

You're getting confused with guidelines and regulations;

The whole GRTP Protocol is put out by the IRB as a guideline, which is, intended to be used as a guide. Which means, its not binding.

The law/regulation is spelled out as;

10.1 Concussion1
10.1.1 A Player who has suffered concussion shall not participate in any Match or training session for a minimum period of three weeks from the time of injury, and may then only do so when symptom free and declared fit after proper medical examination. Such declaration must be recorded in a written report
prepared by the person who carried out the medical examination of the Player.

10.1.2 Subject to sub-clause 10.1.3 below, the three week period may be reduced only if the Player is symptom free and declared fit to play after appropriate assessment by a properly qualified and recognised neurological specialist.

Thats what the Wallaby camp is bound to meet.

Also, it doesn't sound like Will had two suspected concussions. He had one head collision which cut his head and one journo bet up of a concussion.

In making his decision, the Doctor can follow the Concussion Guidelines, but he/she deems him fit to play he's ok to go.

 

[fatprop]

Foxsport news has Horne coming onto the bench

 

[ChargerWA]

Does he lay golden eggs on the side?

 

[Set piece magic]

your kidding me right? Didn't anyone see his misread for the first canadian try?

 

[Bowside]

Should have been barnes or shmoo.

 

[fatprop]

I didn't see the game tonight apart from some highlights but the only reason I can think of is that Deans is dis-satisfied with the 13 options so far this season and wants to give him a crack,

edit from the Fox report

Barbarians coach and ARU high performance manager David Nucifora said the injured players had acquitted themselves well.

"Rob Horne will be the 22nd player tomorrow, he'll be on the bench for the Test match (against New Zealand)," he said.

"He'll really add some value.

 

[Thomond78]

You're getting confused with guidelines and regulations;

The whole GRTP Protocol is put out by the IRB as a guideline, which is, intended to be used as a guide. Which means, its not binding.

The law/regulation is spelled out as;

10.1 Concussion1
10.1.1 A Player who has suffered concussion shall not participate in any Match or training session for a minimum period of three weeks from the time of injury, and may then only do so when symptom free and declared fit after proper medical examination. Such declaration must be recorded in a written report
prepared by the person who carried out the medical examination of the Player.

10.1.2 Subject to sub-clause 10.1.3 below, the three week period may be reduced only if the Player is symptom free and declared fit to play after appropriate assessment by a properly qualified and recognised neurological specialist.

Thats what the Wallaby camp is bound to meet.

Also, it doesn't sound like Will had two suspected concussions. He had one head collision which cut his head and one journo bet up of a concussion.

In making his decision, the Doctor can follow the Concussion Guidelines, but he/she deems him fit to play he's ok to go.

Wrong.

The new concussion rules are here:

http://www.irbplayerwelfare.com/?documentid=3

And they are mandatory; the word "must" makes that clear.

And they amend Regulation 10, and have been in force as part of the regulations since May 24th.

http://www.irb.com/newsmedia/mediazone/pressrelease/newsid=2043181.html

Genia had two separate blows to the head. He was, in his own words, feeling "in a fog" and "feeling a bit off" - two of the indicators for suspected concussion.

 

[ChargerWA]

Didn't you hear Thomond, we are all descendents of convicts down here, incorigibles who live outside the law

 

[Thomond78]

Didn't you hear Thomond, we are all descendents of convicts down here, incorigibles who live outside the law

Well, yes, granted; but you're not supposed to be thick. And risking permanently buggering up your most vital player two weeks before the RWC starts is a long, looooooong way from smart.

 

[vidiot]

The new concussion rules..

Cooper appears to have more indicators of suspected concussion, even though he is very good at avoiding head knocks. Or maybe it's just too late for him.

 

[Thomond78]

Cooper appears to have more indicators of suspected concussion, even though he is very good at avoiding head knocks. Or maybe it's just too late for him.

You hardly think the pack let him away with chucking the ball away like that in Bled1 without a... discussion afterwards, do you...?

 

[Utility Back]

I back genias judgement to not bugger up his own career, and that of the medical professionals around him. I'm not sure it's a s big of a deal as you think, he copped a head knock, and was a bit off or dizzy, same thing has happened to me and it wasn't a concussion.

 

[Thomond78]

I back genias judgement to not bugger up his own career, and that of the medical professionals around him. I'm not sure it's a s big of a deal as you think, he copped a head knock, and was a bit off or dizzy, same thing has happened to me and it wasn't a concussion.

Read up on Bernard Jackman or Fogarty, and how backing their judgement did them such favours.

 

[daz]

I back genias judgement to not bugger up his own career, and that of the medical professionals around him. .

I agree with the second bit, and absolutely not with the first bit. On the whole and with few exceptions, a competitive person, by his/her very nature, just wants to get back into it and their judgement cannot be trusted.

 

[undercoverkiwi]

On the basis of tonight, we could have done a lot worse than having Taps in the RWC squad. Left his run just a little late unfortunately.

Sorry, are you referring to Ben Tapuai? In the Wallabies?