The Wallabies Thread

[dru]

I thought the time we got most smashed compared to how we did with different players within the same game was before Moore got replaced by TPN in the second Bledisloe.

I think the South African scrum will be stronger than the All Blacks this weekend and don't think we really had that much difference between pack options against South Africa. The scrum was certainly weaker with the subs on but was under pressure the whole game.

Anyway, we'll see what happens this weekend. It will be a stern test against Argentina.

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Presumably the scrummaging against the Boks was an issue with Moore in absentia. Hell, vibration therapy - like a rugby homeopathy Vibing in, spooky action at a distance. Very_Spooky. Ditto line out throws. Hell, that works. But what makes you think his spookiness won't happen next time he isn't on the field?

 

[Slim 293]

Wallabies and ARU throw support behind 'yes' campaign for marriage equality
Wallabies captain Michael Hooper says the team will take a stand for marriage equality, joining the Football Federation, Cricket Australia and the NRL to support the 'yes' campaign.

The ARU unveiled a rainbow marriage equality logo on social media on Tuesday as a mark of the organisation's support as Australia braces for a marriage law postal survey.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rug...gn-for-marriage-equality-20170912-gyfvbh.html

 

[dru]

I thought the time we got most smashed compared to how we did with different players within the same game was before Moore got replaced by TPN in the second Bledisloe.

I think the South African scrum will be stronger than the All Blacks this weekend and don't think we really had that much difference between pack options against South Africa. The scrum was certainly weaker with the subs on but was under pressure the whole game.

Anyway, we'll see what happens this weekend. It will be a stern test against Argentina.

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Where did you see the probs in the scrum? I know I'm quick to point at props, but I've seen commentary suggesting as much was from the locks. With the finger at Simmo who is usually a solid scrummager. I would usually expect the Argies to be the toughest scrum, but thought this year it might be the ABs.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Late in the game the South Africans were all getting around their red headed loose head, especially for that scrum under the posts which put them ahead.

Don't think we got any good vision of that side of the scrum during the telecast though.

There was an overhead shot but it came too late to see where the damage was done - the scrum was already destroyed by that point

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[Derpus]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rug...gn-for-marriage-equality-20170912-gyfvbh.html

Yeah good, not sure how i feel about sport and politics mixing but this is a no-brainer and if the NRL can do it so can the wobs.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Politics and sport don't mix

Personally I couldn't give a crap about people's individual views on ANY topic whether it be homosexual relationships, racism, Abortion , Tree Hugging, Save the Hairy Nose Wombat - whatever. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion based on unbiased and balanced reporting of the particular issue. It pisses me when "influential" people like actors, business leaders, sporting heroes use their celebrity

But it gives me the shits when SOME in an organisation (any organisation but usually from the top) take a particular slant and promote it as being 100% supported by all the members of that organisation.

Imagine the outcry if the ARU had come out and said they support a "NO" vote in the homosexual "marriage" postal vote.

 

[Strewthcobber]

http://www.aru.com.au/Portals/33/Po...ve Environments/ARU Inclusion Policy_2014.pdf

I'd say that the ARU see this stance as being fully in support of their Inclusion policy and as such it is the organisation position.

Anyone saying politics and sport don't mix presumably don't support the senate inquiry into the ARU either?

 

[Derpus]

Plus, i doubt our little social spheres can be so neatly divided.

Imagine the outcry if the ARU had come out and said they support a "NO" vote in the homosexual "marriage" postal vote.

What's your point?

 

[Braveheart81]

Where did you see the probs in the scrum? I know I'm quick to point at props, but I've seen commentary suggesting as much was from the locks. With the finger at Simmo who is usually a solid scrummager. I would usually expect the Argies to be the toughest scrum, but thought this year it might be the ABs.

It's very difficult to point the finger at the locks when you're sitting at home. The Springboks had the better of us at scrumtime throughout the game but that was exacerbated when Kepu was replaced by Ala'alatoa, TPN by Uelese and Arnold by Simmons.

Certainly across the last few games it is apparent that Kepu is still stronger in the scrum than Ala'alatoa at THP and TPN is our best hooker at scrum time. Comparing Bled 2 with Aus v SA I thought the gap in scrummaging between TPN and Moore was greater than TPN and Uelese. That's pretty subjective though.

I thought the Springboks got the better of the Pumas across both weeks so I think they will have the strongest scrum in the Rugby Championship. Steve Kitshoff in particular seems to be very dominant.

Adding Timani to the backrow will surely help a bit, but I'm not sure he can rectify things from there on his own.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Plus, i doubt our little social spheres can be so neatly divided.

What's your point?

Surely that is plainly obvious.

OK, say the ARU came out and publicly supported the "NO" vote.

What would you personally say about that ?

 

[Scrubber2050]

It's very difficult to point the finger at the locks when you're sitting at home. The Springboks had the better of us at scrumtime throughout the game but that was exacerbated when Kepu was replaced by Ala'alatoa, TPN by Uelese and Arnold by Simmons.

Certainly across the last few games it is apparent that Kepu is still stronger in the scrum than Ala'alatoa at THP and TPN is our best hooker at scrum time. Comparing Bled 2 with Aus v SA I thought the gap in scrummaging between TPN and Moore was greater than TPN and Uelese. That's pretty subjective though.

I thought the Springboks got the better of the Pumas across both weeks so I think they will have the strongest scrum in the Rugby Championship. Steve Kitshoff in particular seems to be very dominant.

Adding Timani to the backrow will surely help a bit, but I'm not sure he can rectify things from there on his own.

BH
Your point is taken and it's probably unfair to point solely at the front row, locks and back three as individual units.

It is a pack of 8. All have to engage in the process.

 

[Slim 293]

Surely that is plainly obvious.

OK, say the ARU came out and publicly supported the "NO" vote.

What would you personally say about that ?

I imagine such a hypothetical would draw plenty of negative backlash, such as if they supported the drowning of guide dog puppies, or named Rob Horne in the starting side this week.

 

[Scrubber2050]

I imagine such a hypothetical would draw plenty of negative backlash, such as if they supported the drowning of guide dog puppies, or named Rob Horne in the starting side this week.

Why are you down so much on Rob Horne ?

Is it just because he was a Tah and gave great service to that State ?

The Guide Dog puppies was a great example, the other one a cheap shot against a great Waratah servant

 

[Derpus]

Surely that is plainly obvious.

OK, say the ARU came out and publicly supported the "NO" vote.

What would you personally say about that ?

I'd be dissapointed, though not surprised given past performance.

My question is, how is that point relevant to whether sports and politics should or shouldn't mix? Because i might disagree with the ARU's stated position?

 

[mark_s]

There is an excellent article by Nic Bishop over on the Roar today outlining some of the issues with Cheika's transformational style and the flow on impacts on players who might not yet be ready for international rugby (with particular focus on Hanigan). I think Bishop has nailed it on the head.

 

[Derpus]

http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/09/13/can-michael-cheika-transform-wallabies-coach/

Link to mentioned article.

Makes some valid points. Don't think many will disagree with the comments and critique of Hanigan.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Cheikas selections since the 2015 RWC have been confounding in a lot of respects. NB highlights a few, but he could also have mentioned the musical chairs that the second row has been subjected to over the past couple of years. He has a particular obstinate streak in him regarding some positions and some players, and no patience at all in relation to others. In the end, I really think he has contributed more to many of the recent losses than the players themselves.

He has to rid himself of his seemingly endless quest to find three No 7s to play in the backrow, and he has to get away from viewing the Waratahs as the primary source of new talent. Then, he has to delegate authority and responsibility for the various coaching elements to the Assistants and just be content to guide things from the top. Most significantly, he has to retreat from any role in forwards coaching and bring in a specialist and learn to rely on and have confidence in his Assistants.

 

[Derpus]

Meh, shit point. He played musical chairs to find his best options and Coleman and Arnold stuck their hand up and established themselves as the go to pair for Australia. He still rotates the secondaries a little but primarily relies on Simmons from the bench. He dropped Simmons for a while to light a fire under him and gave Carter a shot which he failed to take advantage of.

The idea that he primarily picks NSW players or NSW youngsters is bullshit parochialism.

 

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[Micheal]

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Oh no. Izzy what have you done? Izzy you bloody oaf you've opened up Pandora's box. Here comes the tidal wave of "hurr, durr, Hillsong" (and rightfully so). What'd he think was going to happen?

Oh no, here we go: The hot-cold, two-left footed-fullback of the national team, who gets paid exclusively to run through and over other physically imposing men, in a sport that almost no one cares about, and which is known for holding traditional, masculine and conservative values, is going to stem the un-stoppable force of same-sex-marriage in Australia and convert the blissfully ignorant masses who support it by kickstarting his career transition into social commentary with a fucking garbage tweet stating a perspective that we all could have assumed he holds anyway due to his fondness for fast-food Christianity (read: Hillsong) but don't worry boys its all fine because he "loves and respects all people for who they are" despite demonstrating otherwise by championing a potentially harmful viewpoint that alienates a significant portion of society through inequity under the law in the most public arena of all time where, even if you delete your foolish expression of unwanted opinion, the screenshots of said opinion don't actually disappear, for no other reason than to let us all know that Izzy fucking Folau doesn't agree with what we're going to do despite the fact that we're going to do it anyway and think less of him for not doing it with us.

Maybe even Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Iceland, Argentina, Denmark, Brazil, France, Uruguay, New Zealand, the UK, Ireland, the US, Columbia, Greenland, Finland, Slovenia and Luxembourg will be so compelled by what Izzy thinks that they'll renege on their laws to allow SSM.

Nice one Izzy - what else does your ancient book say? Let us know what other decisions this country should make whilst you're at it.

Although I doubt he was consulted, his manager can't be too happy with this tweet.

Whilst I fully respect Izzy's right to an opinion, he was a moron to express it. This tweet serves to accomplish nothing but sink his stock a little. TL;DR - Where's Ja?