The Wallabies Thread

[Derpus]

Based on his record and the number of record losses this year plus the obvious lack of ticker in this squad for this EOYT and the mindless selections at times and that he has continually backed the almost unbackable defense coach.....it is time for Cheika to fall on his own sword.
There have been some good highlights in 2017 but they pale in comparison to the very low lights.

Its time. I'm not sure who, but we have some time between now and the mid year tests and the 2019 RWC.

It really isn't. It would just do more harm until a decent replacement emerges. He's been average in my opinion. Done some good things and some bad but the woes of Australian rugby go far far beyond him and there are no obvious replacements. Anyone who followed a resignation would only do worse (unless it was someone really special).

 

[Brumby Runner]

I don't think we'll see a replacement of the head coach before the RWC, but if it did happen, there are a few areas where the replacement could make some immediate improvements and likely would start to bring the Wallabies back to the top.

First, replace Nathan Grey. There probably are a number of defense coaches available and interested who would implement a sensible and effective defense plan.

Fix some selections. Get rid of players who have to be hidden in defense or who only have one part of the skills package required to play the positions they are in. Pick players in their specialist positions.

Change the captain.

Change the culture from one of poor behaviour on field to one of pride in their performance.

Give Mick Byrne free rein and all the assistance he needs to improve or in some cases to continue the improvement of individual skills in all the players.

These are just starting points that could be put in place on Day 1.

 

[Joe Blow]

I don't think we'll see a replacement of the head coach before the RWC, but if it did happen, there are a few areas where the replacement could make some immediate improvements and likely would start to bring the Wallabies back to the top.

First, replace Nathan Grey. There probably are a number of defense coaches available and interested who would implement a sensible and effective defense plan.

Fix some selections. Get rid of players who have to be hidden in defense or who only have one part of the skills package required to play the positions they are in. Pick players in their specialist positions.

Change the captain.

Change the culture from one of poor behaviour on field to one of pride in their performance.

Give Mick Byrne free rein and all the assistance he needs to improve or in some cases to continue the improvement of individual skills in all the players.

These are just starting points that could be put in place on Day 1.

Right. There is enough there in your post to think seriously about it now. Plus there are other issues. Sadly the ARU itself is in complete disarray and as such is incapable of making the call. That was a pretty spineless performance

 

[dru]

I don't think we'll see a replacement of the head coach before the RWC, but if it did happen, there are a few areas where the replacement could make some immediate improvements and likely would start to bring the Wallabies back to the top.

First, replace Nathan Grey. There probably are a number of defense coaches available and interested who would implement a sensible and effective defense plan.

Fix some selections. Get rid of players who have to be hidden in defense or who only have one part of the skills package required to play the positions they are in. Pick players in their specialist positions.

Change the captain.

Change the culture from one of poor behaviour on field to one of pride in their performance.

Give Mick Byrne free rein and all the assistance he needs to improve or in some cases to continue the improvement of individual skills in all the players.

These are just starting points that could be put in place on Day 1.

BR, I don’t entirely agree with your plan. But there is enough there to have my vote for you to replace Cheika. Now though. Not in 18 months.

 

[Brumbieman]

And who exactly would replace Cheika?

We just lost one of our Super rugby teams because we don't have enough quality coaches in Australia. Who the hell will replace Cheika?

 

[RugbyReg]

Who's coaching Randwick at the moment?

 

[Derpus]

And who exactly would replace Cheika?

We just lost one of our Super rugby teams because we don't have enough quality coaches in Australia. Who the hell will replace Cheika?

Any of a wide variety of talented coaches in Europe or New Zealand. I guess we probably can't afford any of them though.

 

[Brumby Runner]

BR, I don’t entirely agree with your plan. But there is enough there to have my vote for you to replace Cheika. Now though. Not in 18 months.

Thanks Dru but nah. It needs a professional coach to take the team forward after making those initial changes. Selector, yes - now that would be a gig I'd get my teeth into, but coach is beyond my poor levels of expertise.

 

[wamberal]

Any of a wide variety of talented coaches in Europe or New Zealand. I guess we probably can't afford any of them though.

Any new coach (especially one who is not based here, and therefore has a limited knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of our playing stocks) would probably have to serve out some sort of notice period, and then would take a few months to get up to speed, sort out his own staff (which might also take time, probably would) then start making the changes that any new coach makes. It would be at least 12 months before his stamp would be fully on the team, and who says that it will be a success?


It would be a very big call.

 

[Derpus]

Any new coach (especially one who is not based here, and therefore has a limited knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of our playing stocks) would probably have to serve out some sort of notice period, and then would take a few months to get up to speed, sort out his own staff (which might also take time, probably would) then start making the changes that any new coach makes. It would be at least 12 months before his stamp would be fully on the team, and who says that it will be a success?


It would be a very big call.

Yeah, it won't happen before RWC19. No matter how poor Cheika is over the next two seasons RWC19 is his. Post 19 i can see us venturing abroad. Surely we have no choice? as has been extensively discussed, there's no route to a professional coaching role in Australia without sacrificing years of your life to volunteering etc.

 

[Joe Blow]

It is bullshit that the cupboard is bare.
There must be many decent options available to help the Wallabies have a tilt at RWC 2019.
Cheika does not take responsibility for the performances, or lack thereof. He never will and does not command the required respect of the players, as illustrated on the weekend in what can only be described as a piss poor effort.
Ditto for Hooper as captain. Time for some changes in direction.

 

[barbarian]

It is bullshit that the cupboard is bare.
There must be many decent options available to help the Wallabies have a tilt at RWC 2019.
Cheika does not take responsibility for the performances, or lack thereof. He never will and does not command the required respect of the players, as illustrated on the weekend in what can only be described as a piss poor effort.
Ditto for Hooper as captain. Time for some changes in direction.

I think this is a bit of an over-reaction. And I've heard Cheika take the blame for a loss on numerous occasions.

 

[Viking]

I have to say for all the hype around Beale this year, I think he was our most over-rated player this season.

Maybe had a flashes of brillance on attack but put in his usual poor defence or poor decision making that cost us on key moments.

Sound familiar? If it were Cooper he'd be thrashed on this forum.

Not that I am defending Cooper, but I put them both in the same boat for consistency, at this stage.

 

[Derpus]

I have to say for all the hype around Beale this year, I think he was our most over-rated player this season.

Maybe had a flashes of brillance on attack but put in his usual poor defence or poor decision making that cost us on key moments.

Sound familiar? If it were Cooper he'd be thrashed on this forum.

Not that I am defending Cooper, but I put them both in the same boat for consistency, at this stage.

He was brilliant until he got shifted to fullback.

 

[Viking]

He was brilliant until he got shifted to fullback.

Was he really though? He had one great game.

 

[barbarian]

I suppose there are two ways of looking at things.

One way is to see Scotland as the barometer. The first Bledisloe was the true sign of this team's ability, and the 8 or so games after that was something of a dead cat bounce against weak opposition.

The other is to see Scotland as a bit of an outlier. It was a shocker at the end of a long season, and the Brisbane Bledisloe is a better indication of where we are at.

Because I generally prefer an optimistic approach, I'm going with the latter. I genuinely believe we are in a better place now than we were at the start of the year.

We've got depth in key positions, and have unearthed some genuinely good prospects. The bones of our 2019 squad are there - with Naisirani and Pocock to come in next year, and guys like Valetini, RHP, Duncan P, Vui in the wings.

The Ireland series is just so crucial. But I broadly believe we are a better team than we were 12 months ago, which is something. I'd like to be further down the road though. The Scotland game leaves a bitter taste.
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[barbarian]

If it were Cooper he'd be thrashed on this forum.
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My two most hated phrases on this site:

1. 'If (TEAM X) was the All Blacks, they would have beaten us by 60'

2. 'If (PLAYER X) was Quade, he'd be thrashed on this forum.'

It's just lazy analysis.

 

[Derpus]

Was he really though? He had one great game.

He had three good games against NZ (the third the least so), had at least one decent game against South Africa, Played well enough against Argentina though i don't think he shone in these games and he played well against Japan.
He then got moved to fullback where his weaknesses were exposed and his strengths barely played to. Still managed to save the match against the Welsh despite being pretty poor throughout the tour.

 

[Tomikin]

I would say we were much better team with Beale at 12 and Izzy at 15. Then Kervi at 12 and, Beale 15.. And I think results have shown that.

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[KOB1987]

Was he really though? He had one great game.

I think your judgement is clouded by the recent tour. For confirmation you only need to browse the 3-2-1 threads from August to October, also remember he was runner up to Folau for the players' player despite not playing in June or last year's EOYT.