The Wallabies Thread
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Mark Ella (57)
Fuck it's NRC - If keeping Gilly for a couple of games cost anything I'd let him go. What's the point........ Give another bloke the chance to shine
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Peter Johnson (47)
Gills on mor ethen a couple hundred, and its not a couple months, its 5.
Once they get released here, they are fully the responsibility of their new club (medicals, salary etc)
I'd be letting Gill (unfortunately excess) and Tomane & Beale (injured) go, but keeping TPN & Holmes. Not phased either way with To'omua
Once they get released here, they are fully the responsibility of their new club (medicals, salary etc)
I'd be letting Gill (unfortunately excess) and Tomane & Beale (injured) go, but keeping TPN & Holmes. Not phased either way with To'omua
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RUPA CBA has players contracted up until 31 Dec, unless they are released earlier by recripiocal arrangement to take up a new contract elsewhere. It could be that Tomanes new club would prefer he conduct rehab at their club in which case he would be released from the ARU/Super Rugby contract and start his new one early.
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Mark Ella (57)
Is a players contract finish at the end of the calendar year?
Do Super players have to play NRC (included in contract) for no EXTRA money
I have no idea what Gill is on but for a Super Rugby only contract it is hard to see it being much more than $300k given the minimum contract levels and the salary cap.
By a couple of months I meant that if he was kept around it would likely be for some or all of the Rugby Championship, not until the conclusion of his contract on 31 December.
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Mark Ella (57)
SADLY, Gill has never been in Chek's plans with Pocock, Hooper and McMahon ahead of him. He has been used as an extra at Wallaby Camps to make up some numbers, but never really in consideration for the match day 23
Let the bloke go and start earning some real money
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Peter Johnson (47)
Correct, it's a part of their contract that they play. They do NOT get extra money for NRC, but also some have been 'rested', given leave, excused if they are in wider wallaby squads, some even have gone to ITM Cup.
Have been collating the data for the Aussie Front Rowers and it's not pretty as far as choices for Wallabies selection and work rates compared to our key oppositions.
For some time now I've been highlighting that our Front Rowers have a focus on the set piece and have little involvement around the park. Is this the lack of fitness that Cheika is talking about?
Some similar stats for the ABs regular Front Rowers at the RWC.
In the RWC Final the ABs Front Row made 42% of the ABs Total Ruck Involvements and 35% of the Defence Ruck Involvements.
The same numbers for the Wallabies Front Row were 29% and 16%.
Note: Dane Coles has more of a roving brief and is often used as a ball carrier within 5m of the side line. He may have few Ruck Involvements but he's very effective.
The Wallabies Front Rowers had the following averages at the RWC.
These stats show that some of our players provide a higher work rate in Test rugby than in Super Rugby.
Key Ruck Involvements from England FRs from June Tests:
Mark Vunipola - 16 Total - 11 Attack - 5 Defence
Dylan Hartley - 30 Total - 26 Attack - 4 Defence
Dan Cole - 22 Total - 16 Attack - 6 Defence.
For some time now I've been highlighting that our Front Rowers have a focus on the set piece and have little involvement around the park. Is this the lack of fitness that Cheika is talking about?
Some similar stats for the ABs regular Front Rowers at the RWC.
In the RWC Final the ABs Front Row made 42% of the ABs Total Ruck Involvements and 35% of the Defence Ruck Involvements.
The same numbers for the Wallabies Front Row were 29% and 16%.
Note: Dane Coles has more of a roving brief and is often used as a ball carrier within 5m of the side line. He may have few Ruck Involvements but he's very effective.
The Wallabies Front Rowers had the following averages at the RWC.
These stats show that some of our players provide a higher work rate in Test rugby than in Super Rugby.
Key Ruck Involvements from England FRs from June Tests:
Mark Vunipola - 16 Total - 11 Attack - 5 Defence
Dylan Hartley - 30 Total - 26 Attack - 4 Defence
Dan Cole - 22 Total - 16 Attack - 6 Defence.
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Mark Ella (57)
FF (Folau Fainga'a)
Tanks for that - brilliant work but
You forgot Scott Sio in the Super Tables
and do we add Slips together
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Considering it is his debut season, I like those numbers on Scoble. It'll be an interesting battle between him, Roach, Ready and Hanson when Moore hangs up his boots. Exciting to have so many good prospects- not to mention Siliva Siliva and a few others.
I wonder how Damien Fitzpatrick will go at the Tahs. He was a very promising youngster before injuries.
I wonder how Damien Fitzpatrick will go at the Tahs. He was a very promising youngster before injuries.
FF (Folau Fainga'a)
Tanks for that - brilliant work but
You forgot Scott Sio in the Super Tables
and do we add Slips together
All fixed Scrubber
Thanks for the great proof-reading.
We place a very big burden on our Back Row and often on our Backs because of our general lack of ruck involvement from our Tight 5.
If our Back Rowers and Backs are busy at the breakdown then they're not being available to carry the ball.
And as the stats show our Tight 5 certainly aren't making up for them with ball carries.
The numbers for the ABs Front Row are averages over ALL of the RWC.
There is no doubt that the ABs brought their 'A" game to the RWC.
Some AB average involvements (per 80 minutes) from the short TRC 2015:
Tony Woodcock - 35 Total - 26 Attack - 9 Defence
Owen Franks - 26 Total - 23 Attack - 3 Defence
Dane Coles - 13 Total - 11 Attack - 2 Defence
The 2 Props are still more involved than any of our Props.
On average there are about 20-30 Line Outs per game.
On average there are 15-25 scrums.
On average there are about 160-180 rucks and about 540 Ruck Involvements.
Perhaps I should explain why I reckon a player's Ruck Involvements are so important.
I think that they are a great indicator of an individual's work rate and effort for the team - to be able to stand up to the tough contact when required.
It always amazed me that there were no stats published on who was doing all of the work at the breakdown.
So I started collecting the data myself.
On average there are 15-25 scrums.
On average there are about 160-180 rucks and about 540 Ruck Involvements.
Perhaps I should explain why I reckon a player's Ruck Involvements are so important.
I think that they are a great indicator of an individual's work rate and effort for the team - to be able to stand up to the tough contact when required.
It always amazed me that there were no stats published on who was doing all of the work at the breakdown.
So I started collecting the data myself.
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Mick Byrne has signed up to the Wallabies coaching staff for a 4 year contract... Brilliant stuff, better late then never..