The Tahs 2009
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Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
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You and I have seen Horne play 12 in schools rugby and not many other posters would have; so they would have him at 13 were they have seen him play for the Tahs, and Tahu at 12, where he played for Oz A. Since Horne played outside centre in the S14 we saw very little of his ball playing ability nor the odd sly kick he can do.
It makes a lot of sense to play Tahu at 12 and Horne at 13, and yet, when I saw Horne play 12 for NSW Schools in 2006 and 2007 I was moved to post that he had all the attributes of a schoolboy Horan. As such he could be the long term Waratahs inside centre if they signed him up, said I, provided he could take his game to senior rugby.
A bit of water has gone under the rugby bridge since then; so it's probably more likely that Horne will play outside Tahu, and having more rugby experience will handle the defensive choices at outside centre better.
We all assume that Tom Carter will be overlooked. I thought he was a terrific in some games for the Tahs this year and couldn't play much better in the style that he plays, and yet I also thought he was a bit of a firewall to the ball going out wider, sooner and more often.
The other two will be chosen in front of Carter but he will be recalled if Tahu and Horne don't shine.
You and I have seen Horne play 12 in schools rugby and not many other posters would have; so they would have him at 13 were they have seen him play for the Tahs, and Tahu at 12, where he played for Oz A. Since Horne played outside centre in the S14 we saw very little of his ball playing ability nor the odd sly kick he can do.
It makes a lot of sense to play Tahu at 12 and Horne at 13, and yet, when I saw Horne play 12 for NSW Schools in 2006 and 2007 I was moved to post that he had all the attributes of a schoolboy Horan. As such he could be the long term Waratahs inside centre if they signed him up, said I, provided he could take his game to senior rugby.
A bit of water has gone under the rugby bridge since then; so it's probably more likely that Horne will play outside Tahu, and having more rugby experience will handle the defensive choices at outside centre better.
We all assume that Tom Carter will be overlooked. I thought he was a terrific in some games for the Tahs this year and couldn't play much better in the style that he plays, and yet I also thought he was a bit of a firewall to the ball going out wider, sooner and more often.
The other two will be chosen in front of Carter but he will be recalled if Tahu and Horne don't shine.
the gambler
Dave Cowper (27)
Thats why noone votes him knowledgeable.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Geez guys - I wasn't stating a preference - just reconciling speckie's choice of Horne at 12 and Tahu at 13 with the understandable thoughts of others who want them the other way around.
They want them the other way around because they have never seen Horne at 12, or not very much.
Tahu has proved himself in professional rugby at 12 but not 13. Horne has proved himself at 13 but not 12, except in schools rugby for NSW.
Even the Oz Schools coach last year preferred Horne at 13. Whether that was because he thought Horne's excellent midfield partner, Ben Tapuai, was better suited to 12 and/or Horne to 13 is moot. Both fellows are top centres but in my opinion Horne was played wider because of his superior pace.
[Incidentally watch out for Tapuai to make his mark for the Reds sooner rather than later - he's a cracking young player.]
I would prefer to see Horne play 12 in the Super 14 but if we want Tahu play in the midfield with him, Horne will have to play 13 until T can prove he that he has the ability to read the game defensively one spot wider.
They want them the other way around because they have never seen Horne at 12, or not very much.
Tahu has proved himself in professional rugby at 12 but not 13. Horne has proved himself at 13 but not 12, except in schools rugby for NSW.
Even the Oz Schools coach last year preferred Horne at 13. Whether that was because he thought Horne's excellent midfield partner, Ben Tapuai, was better suited to 12 and/or Horne to 13 is moot. Both fellows are top centres but in my opinion Horne was played wider because of his superior pace.
[Incidentally watch out for Tapuai to make his mark for the Reds sooner rather than later - he's a cracking young player.]
I would prefer to see Horne play 12 in the Super 14 but if we want Tahu play in the midfield with him, Horne will have to play 13 until T can prove he that he has the ability to read the game defensively one spot wider.
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A shame to lose Tuynman but a new coach is entitled to pick his staff without feeling he's obliged to keep the old ones. It would've been nice to keep Less Kiss as he's done an outstanding job coaching defence over the last five years.
Tuynman, like Kiss, won't have any trouble picking up a gig elsewhere, possibly overseas, and can look forward to returning to Oz a better coach in the future.
the gambler
Dave Cowper (27)
I missed alot of the 2007 season so must admit Turner doesnt do much for me.
A few questions:
1. How can you teach someone to kick without a knee?
2. Is NSWRU going broke? Why the big scale back on Coaches and Experience? Hickey would have to be on less than link, considering he's a club coach wanting to move up. For the record I don't call 5 premierships in 14 years "Prolific club premiership-winning" either.
Head Coach: Ewen McKenzie -> Chris Hickey
Forwards Coach: Steve Tuynman -> Michael Foley
Kicking Coach: ??? -> Matt Burke
Attack Coach: Todd Louden -> ???
Defence Coach: Les Kiss -> ???
I read that Burke will also help the wing and the full back with their games, would "Kicking Coach" be another word for "Backs Coach in Training" ?
1. How can you teach someone to kick without a knee?
2. Is NSWRU going broke? Why the big scale back on Coaches and Experience? Hickey would have to be on less than link, considering he's a club coach wanting to move up. For the record I don't call 5 premierships in 14 years "Prolific club premiership-winning" either.
Head Coach: Ewen McKenzie -> Chris Hickey
Forwards Coach: Steve Tuynman -> Michael Foley
Kicking Coach: ??? -> Matt Burke
Attack Coach: Todd Louden -> ???
Defence Coach: Les Kiss -> ???
I read that Burke will also help the wing and the full back with their games, would "Kicking Coach" be another word for "Backs Coach in Training" ?
naza
Alan Cameron (40)
How many coaches do you need really ? Burke will mentor the outside backs. Their hair will be perfectly coiffed. Its a decent move and gives them a young bloke who can relate to the players.
Axel will rip into our forward pack and freshen things up a bit.
Hickey said he still had three spots to fill on his playing roster.
I'm curious where this leaves John McKee. http://www.manlydaily.com.au/article/2008/08/19/11620_sports.html
Axel will rip into our forward pack and freshen things up a bit.
Hickey said he still had three spots to fill on his playing roster.
I'm curious where this leaves John McKee. http://www.manlydaily.com.au/article/2008/08/19/11620_sports.html
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