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Super Rugby Pacific 2025

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Having been now able to watch all the Aussie games, I thought that was the best opening round of Super rugby for years. Tight games with plenty of points, what's not to like. I know that some of the skill was a bit lacking, but that's always the case with the first round or two. If the comp continues like this the rest of the year I'll be a happy punter.
 

JRugby2

Dave Cowper (27)
The conversion being the 'point of no return' event which determines whether something can be reviewed by the TMO or not has always seemed strange to me.

If a team is concerned, it has always been a dead giveaway that something needs to be reviewed when they rush to kick the goal or even attempt to drop kick it.

Just give the TMO 30secs to call time off for a review or it's play on. I imagine they're supposed to be reviewing suspect footage all throughout a game and not just when there is a stoppage or foul play.
They do review everything leading up to a try, regardless of whether there is an on-field referral - but I suppose the challenge is 30 seconds isn't a lot of time to review a passage of play from multiple angles, and potentially watch something 2-3 times over to ensure you're correctly interpreting what you're seeing.

Obviously if a try is disallowed after a conversion - or at the end of the game but before the referee has whistled full time - would be hugely controversial even if the decision was correct. But I think putting a time limit on this would either see more incorrect, high-impact decisions standing or more TMO referrals which delay the game.

I think this is a great compromise as 99% of the time we see the game continue while reviews happen quietly in the background, and when on field tries are escalated by TMO's, by that point they are merely showing the refereeing what they've seen and the game quickly moves on with the new decision.
 

waiopehu oldboy

George Smith (75)
I watched the Tahs game and highlights of the others.

Friday night's game was conspicuous for its lack of replays. TMO found no evidence to overturn decisions, but us at home didn't either, because we barely got a second look.

Wondering if that's just the choice of the NSW broadcast crew, or was it the same across all games?

The CEO said he wanted less TMO intervention so I'm guessing the refs have been instructed accordingly. That said I think there was still plenty of TMO action going on but mostly off-screen which is a good thing IMO.
 

Strewthcobber

David Codey (61)
Can the CEO instruct the broadcaster not to show replays of controversial decisions? Because that seems to be what's happening?

TMO is reviewing them off camera
 

JRugby2

Dave Cowper (27)
Can the CEO instruct the broadcaster not to show replays of controversial decisions? Because that seems to be what's happening?
Maybe? I'd be a bit surprised if they were. Broadcasters would surely get final say over what goes to air and what doesn't, in line with their own production methods and what they think will be relevant/interesting to their audience.
 

Rob42

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Can the CEO instruct the broadcaster not to show replays of controversial decisions? Because that seems to be what's happening?

TMO is reviewing them off camera
I'm sure the broadcaster and the administrators do talk about these things, but as WOB points out, if the game moves on, there's no time for replays. The Highlanders head contact yellow card got plenty of replays during the TMO referral, their try that was questioned by the Tahs did only have one replay, which looked a little questionable - though from a single view, it looked like one of those where a million replays wouldn't be definitive (which was the TMO's conclusion as well). And probably no surprise that they didn't go back to the questionable phase in the final try, given that full-time was whistled and they had other priorities to show.
 

Adam84

Rod McCall (65)
isn't there a risk that a good player in a lesser quality team is just going to attract the votes each week, though?

It's hard to see Ardie Savea not being in the top 3 players for Moana Pasifika each week, whereas if he were in another team, he might have more competition for the spot. Could say similar about Donaldson/Williams for the Force.

I remember similar complaints about the Australian Super Rugby player of the year award going back a number of years, I think John Roe received it a couple of years in a row despite the Reds performing abysmally on the field.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
isn't there a risk that a good player in a lesser quality team is just going to attract the votes each week, though?

Yeah, I don't like it on the basis that it isn't really a good way to work out the best player in the competition as much as it is to work out the best player in each team.

The top few teams are far less likely to have the same standout player week in, week out than a team towards the bottom of the competition.

I'd prefer the AFL coaches voting method where you aren't just voting for the opposition players but awarding 5,4,3,2,1 across all 46 players on gameday. That should generally funnel more votes to the winning team.
 

Adam84

Rod McCall (65)
Also NRL Dally M voting uses independent judges who award 3,2 & 1 to the best players on the field. Which is likely to be weights towards the winning side but allows for quality players in losing teams to be acknowledged
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
Also NRL Dally M voting uses independent judges who award 3,2 & 1 to the best players on the field. Which is likely to be weights towards the winning side but allows for quality players in losing teams to be acknowledged
Yep as does NPC, but usally the player of day is still someone who score most tries etc. Rugby is a game where I always think the players will know who is causes the most problem to them. If someone stands out more in a lesser team etc, perhaps he one that deserves it anyway as it maybe more work? I just liked how someone like Ah Kuoi for Chiefs got most points, and doubt it would of happened with outsides picking. And is you have so called pundits they usually have favourites they lean towards Someone like Sua'alii would of got points I expect, as I saw some suggesting he was a bit of a star, but think the Clan knew who was actually hurting them the most.
 

The Ghost of Raelene

David Codey (61)
isn't there a risk that a good player in a lesser quality team is just going to attract the votes each week, though?

It's hard to see Ardie Savea not being in the top 3 players for Moana Pasifika each week, whereas if he were in another team, he might have more competition for the spot. Could say similar about Donaldson/Williams for the Force.

I remember similar complaints about the Australian Super Rugby player of the year award going back a number of years, I think John Roe received it a couple of years in a row despite the Reds performing abysmally on the field.
Potentially, but I also think the performances do get overlooked at some of those sides from time to time compared to that of the bigger name franchises. Good point about Roe though.
 

D-Box

Cyril Towers (30)
I think the interesting thing from the results published is that only 1 game had both coach and captain agree from both teams. Otherwise a bit of a spread
 

PhilClinton

Mark Loane (55)
As long as the criteria used for selection is aligned, we should get the right players with points.

For example something along the lines of 'this player had a contribution which assisted his team to win the game' or something similar in order for a player to be awarded top points.
 
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