Super Rugby Pacific 2025

[Marbig]

It didn't happen on the weekend, but am I correct in saying there is a possibility that a try could be overturned after the conversion has been kicked?

 

[Rob42]

That was the case from a few years ago, but I haven't seen it enforced. Seems it could have happened in the Tahs game, Gardner was still receiving messages from the TMO after the conversion had been kicked for the match-winning try.

It would have been peak rugby to overturn that one.

 

[JRugby2]

yes - up until the kick off.

 

[Derpus]

Think there is a push for the speed of the game to lift which I am overall in favour of but we also can diminish any quality.

Overall the games were good IMO and fatigue did come into them and opened up late. This will slowly tighten up as match fitness improves but it's so much better watching tries then a grind it out 15/12 game with everyone looking fresh at the end due to how slow it can be.

Yeah when I saw Gardner ask to have a look at something after that final Tahs try I was certain there would be some 10 minute forensic investigation into whether there was a single oxygeon molecule between Amone's hand and the ball before he scored or some bullshit like that. Was pleasantly surprised when the game was just called.

 

[Dan54]

Yeah when I saw Gardner ask to have a look at something after that final Tahs try I was certain there would be some 10 minute forensic investigation into whether there was a single oxygeon molecule between Amone's hand and the ball before he scored or some bullshit like that. Was pleasantly surprised when the game was just called.

I heard (I think it was Nic Berry) say during game, carry on w (with conversion), TMO is checking it in background. Like that have the kick, TMO check and can always overturn decision after that. I know some calls are asked to be checked straight away if ref uncertain, but I thought that was good too

 

[Sully]

As far as I'm aware, a try can be overturned up until the kick off is taken.

 

[Marbig]

I'm all for increasing the speed of the game (and obviously ensuring the correct call is made), but it would be a bit comical if teams are set for the kick off and then have to trudge all the way back down to the goal line if there is a knock on e.t.c

 

[JRugby2]

I heard (I think it was Nic Berry) say during game, carry on w (with conversion), TMO is checking it in background. Like that have the kick, TMO check and can always overturn decision after that. I know some calls are asked to be checked straight away if ref uncertain, but I thought that was good too

It's a bit of a shadow process, but every try is checked no matter what happened in the lead up or whether it was referred or not - so it's a bit redundant when you see players blowing up at referees asking for them to check things in the lead up to tries.

If it's referred by the on field referee - the TMO can take their time (but are encouraged to be as efficient as possible), and if it's not referred - they have ~90 seconds (up to 60s conversion, and while their is no specific time in 15-a-side for kick offs to happen, anything longer than 30s is getting a hurry up) to find something that is clear and obvious.

I don't have any data to support this but my perception is that we are seeing a lot less referred to the TMO, because referee's know anything clear and obvious should be picked up anyway - and the game is better for it.

 

[LeCheese]

Possibly I'm misremembering, but was there not an instance last year where a try was overturned after the conversion had taken place?

 

[Braveheart81]

It didn't seem to me that it was Gardner requesting for it to be checked.

He awarded the try and allowed everything to proceed and then seemingly the TMO interjected that they were checking something after the conversion had been kicked but before Gardner had whistled full time. Gardner was struggling to hear them through the earpiece and then the TMO said there was nothing clear and obvious and stick with your onfield decision.

It would have certainly been a farcical ending if the try had been overturned after the conversion.

 

[Crashy]

yeah I was shitting bricks at that point when....
1. It looked like Gardner was potentially going to disallow the try, and
2. JAS had hobbled off which what I thought was a bung knee.

I was quite relieved when neither came to pass.

 

[Strewthcobber]

The Highlanders certainly thought there was a knock-on by Lambert around 4 phases before the try, which would now be checkable by the TMO under the new trial protocol (I think!)

A key outcome of the Shape of the Game conference, under the revised protocol the TMO will have additional power to identify clear and obvious infringements in the final attacking passage of play before scoring (knock on, forward pass and in touch) and in the within the final two phases specifically (offside, maul obstruction and tackle complete). The referral can be made by any member of the team of four match officials.

 

[Crashy]

Any idea what this was worth?

SMARTECH partners with Super Rugby Pacific and Super Rugby Women's as naming rights sponsor

SMARTECH has been announced as the official naming rights partner of Super Rugby Pacific and Super Rugby Women's competitions for 2025.

www.rugby.com.au

Heard they wanted a mil for it originally.

 

[Derpus]

The Highlanders certainly thought there was a knock-on by Lambert around 4 phases before the try, which would now be checkable by the TMO under the new trial protocol (I think!)

That's kind of weird - wouldnt obstruction or offside be penalty offenses? Wouldn't it make more sense to go further back for them than say a small knock on (which happen all the time)?

 

[Strewthcobber]

That's kind of weird - wouldnt obstruction or offside be penalty offenses? Wouldn't it make more sense to go further back for them than say a small knock on (which happen all the time)?

I think the implication to this is they don't want anyone looking too closely at offside, especially close to the line, because every team is probably offending just about every phase, and the refs currently ignore it in the interests of letting a game break out.

Related....Highlanders were way offside close to the ruck for most of the last phases, and some of them were so egregious (ie it was everyone, and there would be no onside defenders left) that they probably should have been penalty tries.

But I think refs really don't want to go there either

 

[LeCheese]

From a 2022 revision:

Should the broadcaster provide an angle after a conversion takes place but before the restart has been taken, that clearly shows an infringement has taken place, then the TMO/referee should use the video referral process to deal with the infringement.

https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2022/06/14/2a158fb7-ab69-4136-a4ef-ba4a5646e3a8/2022-TMO-protocol-Approved-by-Council-May-2022.pdf

An instance of this occurred in the '23 World Cup England v Samoa, which is maybe what I was thinking of.

 

[The Red Baron]

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alright, which one of you sickos works here.

That Reds jersey is uncomfortably close to those Brumbies, Waratahs and Force jerseys if you ask me. Not sure what that last jersey is, never seen it before.

 

[Adam84]

Any idea what this was worth?

SMARTECH partners with Super Rugby Pacific and Super Rugby Women's as naming rights sponsor

SMARTECH has been announced as the official naming rights partner of Super Rugby Pacific and Super Rugby Women's competitions for 2025.

www.rugby.com.au

Heard they wanted a mil for it originally.

Surely RA/NZRU would get more if they sold naming rights as a collective to a multinational rather then partitioning off pieces.

Do Fiji also get to sell the naming rights in Fiji?

 

[Wilson]

Surely RA/NZRU would get more if they sold naming rights as a collective to a multinational rather then partitioning off pieces.

Do Fiji also get to sell the naming rights in Fiji?

Yes, it's Shop N Save Super Rugby Pacific in Fiji:

Shop N Save Supermarket extend Super Rugby Pacific Naming Rights sponsorship

Shop N Save Supermarket have extended their Naming Rights sponsorship of Super Rugby Pacific to cover the exciting 2025 season. The competition wil

www.fijivillage.com

As far as combined naming rights go, it's been a long time since they were sold that way but ideally they'd move back towards it as part of the new competition management structures. That said, I think the move away was because they could get more money with separate naming rights sponsors, but that was when South Africa were still part of the competition. Australia and New Zealand are much closer as markets so there's probably more room to explore the single sponsor again now, it just takes the organisation to do it.

 

[PhilClinton]

The conversion being the 'point of no return' event which determines whether something can be reviewed by the TMO or not has always seemed strange to me.

If a team is concerned, it has always been a dead giveaway that something needs to be reviewed when they rush to kick the goal or even attempt to drop kick it.

Just give the TMO 30secs to call time off for a review or it's play on. I imagine they're supposed to be reviewing suspect footage all throughout a game and not just when there is a stoppage or foul play.