SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) 2023 General Chat

[qwerty51]

Swinton not being used is interesting; someone eluded to it earlier. I wonder if that's an impact of his injury?? He's also dropping a lot of balls.

 

[Wilson]

Round 2 Stats update to come when the Opta Stats get delivered.

In the meantime, via more accessible data, on the hunch that the Reds were throwing to Liam Wright a bit, I thought I'd look at how teams are using their lineout. I only count forward catches so no quick lineouts. And it doesn't include steals (or losses).

Waratahs - 17 lineout wins of which Jed has taken 70%! They don't use their backrow with Seu and Sinclair the only other catchers.

Force - 30 lineout wins with more shared around. Williams has taken a third of them, with Anstee not far away on 30%. There's plenty of trickery afoot with Wagner and Robertson taken 3 catches at the front.

Rebels - 33 lineout wins with Canham taking about 42% with Tualima and Hosea the main other targets. Kemeny and Wilkin have won a couple each.

Reds - 28 wins with Liam Wright having taken a quarter of them (all on the weekend). Wilson, Upfield (from the bench) and Uru are all equal with Smith with 5 tackes. Faifua has a solitary one.

Brumbies - 30 wins with Frost (33%) just edging Neville (30%). Samu (20%), Swain (13%) and Bobby V (just one take) round it out.

Interesting to see Tahs so reliant on so few. I wonder if this changes? You'd be double teaming Holloway for the time being.

Only two games so I guess that accounts for the variance, but it seems wild that the tahs have taken ~half the lineouts of the other sides.

I wonder if we'll see that difference continue, and what it means for their play style

 

[Ignoto]

Cbus on the Gold Coast wouldn't be bad...

Plenty of Kiwi ex pats living there + not a bad joint for Aus fans to travel to if they wanted to

Nah, I will never go to the GC again for an event at either stadiums. Went to the Foo Fighters and it took 2+ hours to get back to the apartment we stayed at due to the buses.

 

[HogansHeros]

Yeah I agree, I went to the 7s a couple times, if you want to fly out Sunday night you basically have to miss the finals cause its such a commute to anywhere

 

[Brumby Runner]

Round 2 Stats update to come when the Opta Stats get delivered.

In the meantime, via more accessible data, on the hunch that the Reds were throwing to Liam Wright a bit, I thought I'd look at how teams are using their lineout. I only count forward catches so no quick lineouts. And it doesn't include steals (or losses).

Waratahs - 17 lineout wins of which Jed has taken 70%! They don't use their backrow with Seu and Sinclair the only other catchers.

Force - 30 lineout wins with more shared around. Williams has taken a third of them, with Anstee not far away on 30%. There's plenty of trickery afoot with Wagner and Robertson taken 3 catches at the front.

Rebels - 33 lineout wins with Canham taking about 42% with Tualima and Hosea the main other targets. Kemeny and Wilkin have won a couple each.

Reds - 28 wins with Liam Wright having taken a quarter of them (all on the weekend). Wilson, Upfield (from the bench) and Uru are all equal with Smith with 5 tackes. Faifua has a solitary one.

Brumbies - 30 wins with Frost (33%) just edging Neville (30%). Samu (20%), Swain (13%) and Bobby V (just one take) round it out.

Interesting to see Tahs so reliant on so few. I wonder if this changes? You'd be double teaming Holloway for the time being.

Thanks Reg. Stats weren't needed to come to that conclusion. On viewing, it looked like nearly every throw went to Jed.

 

[RugbyReg]

After 2 Rounds

Must have played at least an hour of rugby this year.

Looking at the backline first (only Wallaby eligible players):

Top Defender
1. Hunter Paisami (RED) 14 @ 100%
2. Lachie Anderson (REB) 11 @ 100%

HM:
Mark Nawaanitawase (WAR) 12 @ 92.31
Jack Debreczeni (BRU) 11 @ 91.67%
Len Ikitau (BRU) 9 @ 90%

Work Rate leaders
1. Hamish Stewart (FOR) – 3.45
2. Toni Pulu (FOR) – 3.88
3. Nick Jooste (REB) – 4.19
4. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 4.72
5. Izaia Perese (WAR) – 4.89

Biggest Attacking influence
1. Corey Toole (BRU) – 123.00
2. Max Jorgensen (WAR) – 119.08
3. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 94.06
4. Mark Nawaanitawase (WAR) – 91.68
5. Jordan Petaia (RED) – 85.26

Disrupter
1. Filipo Daugunu (RED) - 8
2. Toni Pulu (FOR) – 9.43
3. Jordan Petaia (RED) – 11.40
4. Bayley Kuenzle (FOR) – 11.75
5. Mark Nawaqanitawase (WAR) & Corey Toole (BRU) – 12.31

Defensive Kings.
1. Nick Jooste (REB) – 8.00
2. Hamish Stewart (FOR) – 8.81
3. Carter Gordon (REB) – 9.14
4. Jack Debreczeni (BRU) – 9.18
5. Hunter Paisami (RED) – 9.41

The Uh Oh
1. Joe Pincus (REB) – 10.29
2. Ryan Louwrens (REB) – 10.90
3. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 11.42
4. Tate McDermott (RED) – 12.78
5. George Poolman (FOR) – 13.80

Now the Forwards

Top Defender
1. Caderyn Neville (BRU) – 20 @ 100%
2. Jed Holloway (WAR) & Charlie Gamble (WAR) – 19 @ 100%
4. Rhys Van Nek (BRU) – 19 @ 100%
5. Alex Mafi (REB) – 14 @ 100%

Work Rate leaders
1. Charlie Gambe (WAR) – 2.67
2. Harry Wilson (RED) – 2.88
3. Lachlan Swinton (WAR) – 3.32
4. Ollie Callan (FOR) – 3.33
5. Rob Valetini (BRU) – 3.40

Biggest Attacking influence
1. Langi Gleeson (WAR) – 44.57
2. Harry Wilson (RED) – 29.73
3. Matt Gibbon (REB) – 27.60
4. Michael Hooper (WAR) – 24.62
5. Josh Canham (REB) – 22.78

Disrupter
1. Langi Gleeson (WAR) – 11.11
2. Lam Wright (RED) – 13.33
3. Harry Wilson (RED) – 15.00
4. Fraser McReight (RED) & Charlie Gambe (WAR) & Lachie Longeran (BRU) – 16.00

Defensive Kings.
1. Charlie Gamble (WAR) – 4.00
2. Rhys Van Nek (BRU) – 4.55
3. Harry Wilson (RED) – 4.71
4. Lachlan Lonergan (BRU) – 4.74
5. Allan Ala'alatoa (BRU) – 5.10

The Uh Oh
1. Seru Uru (RED) – 12.50
2. Brad Wilkin (REB) – 13.33
3. Dave Porecki (WAR) – 14.25
4. Ryan Smith (RED) – 15.13
5. Ollie Callan (FOR) – 15.56

 

[Sully]

After 2 Rounds

Must have played at least an hour of rugby this year.

Looking at the backline first (only Wallaby eligible players):

Top Defender
1. Hunter Paisami (RED) 14 @ 100%
2. Lachie Anderson (REB) 11 @ 100%

HM:
Mark Nawaanitawase (WAR) 12 @ 92.31
Jack Debreczeni (BRU) 11 @ 91.67%
Len Ikitau (BRU) 9 @ 90%

Work Rate leaders
1. Hamish Stewart (FOR) – 3.45
2. Toni Pulu (FOR) – 3.88
3. Nick Jooste (REB) – 4.19
4. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 4.72
5. Izaia Perese (WAR) – 4.89

Biggest Attacking influence
1. Corey Toole (BRU) – 123.00
2. Max Jorgensen (WAR) – 119.08
3. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 94.06
4. Mark Nawaanitawase (WAR) – 91.68
5. Jordan Petaia (RED) – 85.26

Disrupter
1. Filipo Daugunu (RED) - 8
2. Toni Pulu (FOR) – 9.43
3. Jordan Petaia (RED) – 11.40
4. Bayley Kuenzle (FOR) – 11.75
5. Mark Nawaqanitawase (WAR) & Corey Toole (BRU) – 12.31

Defensive Kings.
1. Nick Jooste (REB) – 8.00
2. Hamish Stewart (FOR) – 8.81
3. Carter Gordon (REB) – 9.14
4. Jack Debreczeni (BRU) – 9.18
5. Hunter Paisami (RED) – 9.41

The Uh Oh
1. Joe Pincus (REB) – 10.29
2. Ryan Louwrens (REB) – 10.90
3. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 11.42
4. Tate McDermott (RED) – 12.78
5. George Poolman (FOR) – 13.80

Now the Forwards

Top Defender
1. Caderyn Neville (BRU) – 20 @ 100%
2. Jed Holloway (WAR) & Charlie Gamble (WAR) – 19 @ 100%
4. Rhys Van Nek (BRU) – 19 @ 100%
5. Alex Mafi (REB) – 14 @ 100%

Work Rate leaders
1. Charlie Gambe (WAR) – 2.67
2. Harry Wilson (RED) – 2.88
3. Lachlan Swinton (WAR) – 3.32
4. Ollie Callan (FOR) – 3.33
5. Rob Valetini (BRU) – 3.40

Biggest Attacking influence
1. Langi Gleeson (WAR) – 44.57
2. Harry Wilson (RED) – 29.73
3. Matt Gibbon (REB) – 27.60
4. Michael Hooper (WAR) – 24.62
5. Josh Canham (REB) – 22.78

Disrupter
1. Langi Gleeson (WAR) – 11.11
2. Lam Wright (RED) – 13.33
3. Harry Wilson (RED) – 15.00
4. Fraser McReight (RED) & Charlie Gambe (WAR) & Lachie Longeran (BRU) – 16.00

Defensive Kings.
1. Charlie Gamble (WAR) – 4.00
2. Rhys Van Nek (BRU) – 4.55
3. Harry Wilson (RED) – 4.71
4. Lachlan Lonergan (BRU) – 4.74
5. Allan Ala'alatoa (BRU) – 5.10

The Uh Oh
1. Seru Uru (RED) – 12.50
2. Brad Wilkin (REB) – 13.33
3. Dave Porecki (WAR) – 14.25
4. Ryan Smith (RED) – 15.13
5. Ollie Callan (FOR) – 15.56

Is there a description of what these things are based on?

 

[Braveheart81]

Is there a description of what these things are based on?

Earlier in the thread (after round 1 in terms of the date of the posts).

 

[Derpus]

Is there a description of what these things are based on?

In Reg's stat post after round 1.

 

[liquor box]

Is there a separate trophy for the best Australian team, against other Australian teams? Kind of like a Super AU competition within the competition?

Any attempt at a ladder based on Australian results wont be consistent until after a full home and away schedule has been completed and gets confusing given some weeks there are 2 local double headers and other weeks there may be none.

After 3 weeks the local derby ladder from what I can see would be-
1 Brumbies 8 points
2 Reds 6 points
3 Rebels 5 points
4 Force 4 points
5 Waratahs 2 points

No local derbies this week (round 4)

 

[RugbyReg]

After three rounds, must have played at least 80 mins of rugby this year.

Looking at the backline first (those that played at least a half of rugby and only Wallaby eligible players):

Top Defender
1. Lachie Anderson (REB) 16 tackles @ 100%

HM:

Hunter Paisami (RED) 23 @ 95.83%


Work Rate leaders
1. Hamish Stewart (FOR) – 3.40
2. Hunter Paisami (RED) – 4.51
3. Carter Gordon (REB) & Mark Nawaqanitawase (WAR) – 4.80
5. Nick Jooste (REB) – 5.03

Biggest Attacking influence
1. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 191.08
2. Carter Gordon (REB) – 144.00
3. Corey Toole (BRU) – 135.58
4. Jordan Petaia (RED) – 131.10
5. Max Jorgensen (WAR) – 119.08

Disrupter
1. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 7.48
2. Jordan Petaia (RED) – 11.41
3. Toni Pulu (FOR) – 12.63
4. Corey Toole (BRU) – 12.63
5. Len Ikitau (BRU) – 13.13

Defensive Kings.
1. Hamish Stewart (FOR) – 6.86
2. Nic White (BRU) – 8.32
3. Carter Gordon (REB) – 8.38
4. Jack Debreczeni (BRU) – 9.18
5. Hunter Paisami (RED) – 9.23

The Uh Oh
1. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 13.56
2. Jordan Petaia (RED) – 13.86
3. George Poolman (FOR) – 15.50
4. Nic White (BRU) – 15.71
5. Tate McDermott (RED) – 16.08

Now the Forwards

Top Defender
1. Caderyn Neville (BRU) – 31 @ 100%
2. Charlie Gamble (WAR) – 23 @ 100%
3. Archer Holz (WAR) – 18 @ 100%
4. Jeremy Williams (FOR) – 12 @ 100%
5. Sam Talakai (REB) – 9 @ 100%

Work Rate leaders
1. Harry Wilson (RED) – 2.77
2. Charlie Gamble (WAR) – 2.87
3. Brad Wilkin (REB) – 3.28
4. Lachie Lonergan (BRU) – 3.30
5. Ollie Callan (FOR) – 3.35

Biggest Attacking influence
1. Langi Gleeson (WAR) – 83.48
2. Harry Wilson (RED) – 51.03
3. Josh Kemeny (REB) – 42.00
4. Matt Gibbon (REB) – 37.60
5. Michael Hooper (WAR) – 31.06

Disrupter
1. Langi Gleeson (WAR) – 13.92
2. Harry Wilson (RED) – 14.38
3. Josh Kemeny (REB) – 15.82
4. Liam Wright (RED) – 17.78
5. Fraser McReight (RED) – 18.46

Defensive Kings.
1. Lachlan Lonergan (BRU) – 4.32
2. Charlie Gamble (WAR) – 4.67
3. Ollie Callan (FOR) – 4.93
4. Cadeyrn Neville (BRU) – 4.94
5. Brad Wilkin (REB) – 5.03

The Uh Oh
1. Ollie Callan (FOR) – 4.93
2. Dave Porecki (WAR) – 14.25
3. Blake Schoupp (BRU) – 15.00
4. Michael Wells (FOR) – 15.86
5. Lachie Lonergan (BRU) – 16.25

 

[Derpus]

Standouts for me are Daugunu on attack (though still making some errors) and Pasiami & Gamble on workrate/defence. Although you'd hope Gamble would climb the ranks on disrupter too.

 

[liquor box]

Standouts for me are Daugunu on attack (though still making some errors) and Pasiami & Gamble on workrate/defence. Although you'd hope Gamble would climb the ranks on disrupter too.

My stoundout is the Forwards Uh Oh having Ryan Lonergan, he plays above his weight!

Seriously though, unsure how the Uh Oh is worked out but is it a good sign that the Reds do not feature in the top 5?

 

[Brumby Runner]

Something's not right in the State of Denmark - Debreczini No 4 in the defensive backs when I don't think he even got on the field last week.

 

[Misunderstood fan]

My stoundout is the Forwards Uh Oh having Ryan Lonergan, he plays above his weight!

Seriously though, unsure how the Uh Oh is worked out but is it a good sign that the Reds do not feature in the top 5?

In the backs they do


The Uh Oh
1. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 13.56
2. Jordan Petaia (RED) – 13.86
3. George Poolman (FOR) – 15.50
4. Nic White (BRU) – 15.71
5. Tate McDermott (RED) – 16.

What’s going on with McDermott? His game is not improving. He doesn’t have the same game aggression. The mixing up of team selection could be impacting him here and not doing him any favours for the RWC. Is the captaincy a burden? He needs to turn this around this week as he’s not in my top 4 Oz half backs.

 

[Braveheart81]

Something's not right in the State of Denmark - Debreczini No 4 in the defensive backs when I don't think he even got on the field last week.

That's why his metric is exactly the same as after week 2. Reg is doing cumulative stats.

 

[Misunderstood fan]

Something's not right in the State of Denmark - Debreczini No 4 in the defensive backs when I don't think he even got on the field last week.

Reg says, after 3 rounds.

 

[Wilson]

In the backs they do


The Uh Oh
1. Filipo Daugunu (RED) – 13.56
2. Jordan Petaia (RED) – 13.86
3. George Poolman (FOR) – 15.50
4. Nic White (BRU) – 15.71
5. Tate McDermott (RED) – 16.

What’s going on with McDermott? His game is not improving. He doesn’t have the same game aggression. The mixing up of team selection could be impacting him here and not doing him any favours for the RWC. Is the captaincy a burden? He needs to turn this around this week as he’s not in my top 4 Oz half backs.

He specifically has improved on that metric over the 3 rounds though - after the first round he was topping that list with an "Uh Oh" every ~8 minutes, in the two rounds since he's halved that error rate.

He started poorly and certainly the Reds weaker tight 5 hasn't helped much but he has been building into season.

 

[Misunderstood fan]

He specifically has improved on that metric over the 3 rounds though - after the first round he was topping that list with an "Uh Oh" every ~8 minutes, in the two rounds since he's halved that error rate.

He started poorly and certainly the Reds weaker tight 5 hasn't helped much but he has been building into season.

I understand that the halves (should) have more touches on the ball than other positions BUT should also have less errors. Tate needs to get this under control for the betterment of the team performance. Having JOC (James O'Connor) at 10 should help with the management.

 

[Dctarget]

One standout has to be Carter Gordon top 3 in workrate leader and 2nd in attacking influence (note he’s the only flyhalf, the rest are outside backs). Then to show he’s not just a weapon in attack he’s top 3 for defensive kings too.