Shute Shield 2024

[Slim 293]

‘It’s either yes or no’: Shute Shield teams consider awards boycott after club escapes penalty for breach

Just how many Test matches a Tongan prop has played became a central issue in a heated Shute Shield rules controversy.

www.smh.com.au

 

[sterlingmortlocksgloves]

Will be interesting as to what comes from the Crisis meeting held by the 11 other clubs with SRU. You’d hate to be those board members today, they’ll unfortunately have to fall on their own sword of incompetence.

 

[The Honey Badger]

Will be interesting as to what comes from the Crisis meeting held by the 11 other clubs with SRU. You’d hate to be those board members today, they’ll unfortunately have to fall on their own sword of incompetence.

They would have known the potential for this to blow up in their face. Why didn't they just dock them the 4 points - the same 6 teams will play finals . move on.

Or did they know the potential for other transgressions to surface? and didn't want to make a precedent

 

[sterlingmortlocksgloves]

They would have known the potential for this to blow up in their face. Why didn't they just dock them the 4 points - the same 6 teams will play finals . move on.

Or did they know the potential for other transgressions to surface? and didn't want to make a precedent

I think they’ve set an extremely discouraging precedent that blatant violations of the points cap will go unpunished. What’s to stop the 11 other clubs calling in former International players and playing over the cap, I mean if Easts are able to do it why shouldn’t Hunter or the TwoBlues. Not to mention the domino effect it has for players in the lower grades who are playing blokes who have been dropped from 1st grade to make way for a Super Rugby/International player.

The issue is we’ve seen SRU handing down punishments for it before, Sydney Uni colts docked points for playing over the cap last year. Gordon docked points and fined for receiving 1 level of clearance rather than 2 (which happened to come in a day or 2 after he played). Why are East’s so special. Surely someone knew that the player in question was listed as 13 points 2 years ago and 12 points last year but then listed as 1 point this year (until recently being changed to 11).

 

[Rugby Survivor]

The SRU has painted themselves into a corner with no way out. Their own system updated by previous Easts management had the player at the correct points recognising his test caps. New management comes in and decides that is not correct and wants to change the points to fit his agenda. Whatever 'credible' sources were used the points cap has been broken. A breach must incur a penalty and with the precedent of the Gordon breach, competition points must now be deducted from Easts.

 

[The Honey Badger]

I think they’ve set an extremely discouraging precedent that blatant violations of the points cap will go unpunished. What’s to stop the 11 other clubs calling in former International players and playing over the cap, I mean if Easts are able to do it why shouldn’t Hunter or the TwoBlues. Not to mention the domino effect it has for players in the lower grades who are playing blokes who have been dropped from 1st grade to make way for a Super Rugby/International player.

The issue is we’ve seen SRU handing down punishments for it before, Sydney Uni colts docked points for playing over the cap last year. Gordon docked points and fined for receiving 1 level of clearance rather than 2 (which happened to come in a day or 2 after he played). Why are East’s so special. Surely someone knew that the player in question was listed as 13 points 2 years ago and 12 points last year but then listed as 1 point this year (until recently being changed to 11).

The article says the coach regraded some of them because he believed they were wrong

 

[sterlingmortlocksgloves]

The article says the coach regraded some of them because he believed they were wrong

Common sense says to just ask the player how many international games he played?

 

[The Honey Badger]

The SRU has painted themselves into a corner with no way out. Their own system updated by previous Easts management had the player at the correct points recognising his test caps. New management comes in and decides that is not correct and wants to change the points to fit his agenda. Whatever 'credible' sources were used the points cap has been broken. A breach must incur a penalty and with the precedent of the Gordon breach, competition points must now be deducted from Easts.

I would agree - and if there were other breaches ? Still waiting for someone to tell me what junior club Harris played for

 

[sterlingmortlocksgloves]

I would agree - and if there were other breaches ? Still waiting for someone to tell me what junior club Harris played for

Julian Heaven also happened to play for Lindfield Junior Rugby Club, not sure that’s located near Woollahra.

 

[Highlander35]

Re: Junior clubs and such.

My recollection from the last year of Junior sport I played was that everything was tracked pretty digitally for a combination of insurance purposes, which age grade you were eligible to be participating in etc. , and that was 15 years ago, give or take a couple of years.

Would that data have not have been retained (at least in a stripped back version) and hence be easy to refer to for these purposes?

Regardless, amateur's gonna amateur. Feels rather absurd that Teams have some sort of control over classification and tracking, rather than it being entirely centrally managed with formal, public & evidenced requests for review.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

I would agree - and if there were other breaches ? Still waiting for someone to tell me what junior club Harris played for

Hunters Hill ,he was a norths junior ,Amotosero a randwick junior

 

[The Honey Badger]

Hunters Hill ,he was a norths junior ,Amotosero a randwick junior

so there should be no discount applied?? was there a discount?

 

[The Honey Badger]

There is a very old posting in here explaining the points system - by long gone member Huge Arse

I assume it still accurate

The Player Points System

Here are the comp rules if you access to dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/s/suzlbay8ibgyc4i/Section%20One%20-%20Competition%20Rules%202015_draft.pdf?dl=0 I always worry about the validity of electronic documents with the name "Draft" in their title, particularly when they don't have any...

www.greenandgoldrugby.com

 

[Crashy]

most widely read article in the SMH's sport section today. Great for exposure for the comp and rugby. Meanwhile the front page of the SMH discusses how the NRLW is no different from the men with an assault allegation.

‘It’s either yes or no’: Shute Shield teams consider awards boycott after club escapes penalty for breach

Just how many Test matches a Tongan prop has played became a central issue in a heated Shute Shield rules controversy.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Dan54]

Who are the others you're referring too?

Other clubs have been punished for similar haven't they?

 

[Crashy]

Any idea where the gf is being held this year?

 

[sterlingmortlocksgloves]

Any idea where the gf is being held this year?

Hopefully SRU sees the light and brings it back to NSO. Can remember quite a few lovely Saturdays sitting on the Hill. Most notably 2017.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Hopefully SRU sees the light and brings it back to NSO. Can remember quite a few lovely Saturdays sitting on the Hill. Most notably 2017.

Unfortunately looks like Leichardt again

 

[Eyes and Ears]

Unfortunately looks like Leichardt again

No doubt they pick the ground that gives them the best deal. Finals are usually a reasonable source of income for SRU.

 

[the coach]

Anyone know how many games a player has to play to qualify for the finals series?