School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[Quick Hands]

Sounds like a corporate governance problem at Scots if the Council is full of well meaning people. Good corporate governance requires a board of review comprised of people with both the competence to understand and the independence/willingness to question/act. At the very least the review should have been conducted by the council not the headmaster and whoever heads the council should be the public face in this matter. Do we have an autocracy out Bellevue Hill way?

I think we have a principate (rule of the one).

 

[Bowside]

Sport is part of the school curriculum, like mathematics.

Parents attend sporting School activities and some carry on like pork chops on the sidelines.

How many parents attend little Johnny's maths class, to stand at back and yell out, "Yeah Johnny, well done." "Go Johnny, multiple both sides of the equation by the same value" "c'mon boys, complex quadratic equations are easy, you can do it", "write down your working, boys".

Run school games midweek, and don't maintain competition tables or School association representative teams. Disband Schools RU at state and national level. Want to play rep rugby on the pathway, go see your local village club. Rep rugby is Age Group only and organised as part of the Jnr Gold Cup Programme.

IMO a horrible idea even if done for the right reasons.

Schoolboy rugby is special in a way club rugby (especially junior club rugby) is not. No u17 club team gets to play in front of a crowd of 10,000. No club team has 100 years of continuous history behind it.

If you made rugby totally club you'd halve your playing number in that age group immediately- because for most kids not in the As/1st teams just play because it's the done thing at school; you have a bit of a good time win some games and hang out with your mates.

When you lose the kids in the the c,d,e,f teams you lose you lose future waratahs fans, future wallaby fans, future rugby people for life.

The logistics of training are far easier with schoolboy rugby, less training time is wasted sitting in sydney traffic.

Instead of destroying what is arguably the only solid aspect of Australian Rugby, why don't we follow the world wide best practise - stop club rugby from U13-U17 and instead push for every high school in the country to have a rugby team(s).

This is what they do in NZ and South Africa, and it has a far better track record of producing both talented players and long term rugby fans.

 

[Muglair]

In relation to the governance at Scots it could be that the Principal is executing an approved strategy with appropriate internal monitoring and reporting. Otherwise you would hope that the Council is now fully briefed by Dr Lambert and has been very actively involved in the appointment of the consultant, scoping of the consultant's investigation and the subsequent review of his/her findings.

Maybe they will take a more public stance once the report is released.

That raises the question whether the supervisory bodies of the other schools were fully briefed by their Principals before the first grenade was lobbed.

I think the detailing of various boys achievements at school together with the implied assumptions regarding their participation in school life, fee paying status etc is a bit unfair, if not completely inappropriate. As above, it seems that even brief thumbnails may be misleading or incomplete.

 

[Quick Hands]

IMO a horrible idea even if done for the right reasons.

Schoolboy rugby is special in a way club rugby (especially junior club rugby) is not. No u17 club team gets to play in front of a crowd of 10,000. No club team has 100 years of continuous history behind it.

If you made rugby totally club you'd halve your playing number in that age group immediately- because for most kids not in the As/1st teams just play because it's the done thing at school; you have a bit of a good time win some games and hang out with your mates.

When you lose the kids in the the c,d,e,f teams you lose you lose future waratahs fans, future wallaby fans, future rugby people for life.

The logistics of training are far easier with schoolboy rugby, less training time is wasted sitting in sydney traffic.

Instead of destroying what is arguably the only solid aspect of Australian Rugby, why don't we follow the world wide best practise - stop club rugby from U13-U17 and instead push for every high school in the country to have a rugby team(s).

This is what they do in NZ and South Africa, and it has a far better track record of producing both talented players and long term rugby fans.

I'm in full agreement except for the last 2 paragraphs.

The school based system won't work in Australia for a few reasons two of which are:

Teacher unions in state and systemic catholic schools would never agree to give up their Saturdays for sport

Rugby is not the major sport in Aust, whereas it is in NZ & SA so how do you get boys at state and catholic systemic schools to play rugby for their school on Saturdays when they could go and play league, soccer or Aussie rules with whoever they want?

 

[Bowside]

I'm in full agreement except for the last 2 paragraphs.

The school based system won't work in Australia for a few reasons two of which are:

Teacher unions in state and systemic catholic schools would never agree to give up their Saturdays for sport

Rugby is not the major sport in Aust, whereas it is in NZ & SA so how do you get boys at state and catholic systemic schools to play rugby for their school on Saturdays when they could go and play league, soccer or Aussie rules with whoever they want?

Valid points, but whilst having teachers coach would be preferable, an external coach, an old boy or a parent could also do the job.

You kids to play for their school by giving them the option - and making it an attractive option. Cut them a jersey deal with the ARU supplier to make it cheap, send two super rugby players along to each school to present the first XV with jerseys on assembly. Take all the little things the private schools currently do and implement them where possible.

The rugby program's would start small no doubt, maybe one team in U13 in a term 2 competition. But at least then you have a presence, a foundation from which to build upon.

 

[Brian Westlake]

I think we have a principate (rule of the one).

I thought that Scots was more an Oligarchy...

Does that put TKS under a Timocracy???? :/

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Kings = Hawtocracy?

 

[Sam Banana]

Sport is part of the school curriculum, like mathematics.

Parents attend sporting School activities and some carry on like pork chops on the sidelines.

How many parents attend little Johnny's maths class, to stand at back and yell out, "Yeah Johnny, well done." "Go Johnny, multiple both sides of the equation by the same value" "c'mon boys, complex quadratic equations are easy, you can do it", "write down your working, boys".

Run school games midweek, and don't maintain competition tables or School association representative teams. Disband Schools RU at state and national level. Want to play rep rugby on the pathway, go see your local village club. Rep rugby is Age Group only and organised as part of the Jnr Gold Cup Programme.

Club rugby is no different. In the U15 div 1 comp this year Mosman and Hunters Hill beat most teams by 30-60. With some teams forfeiting for the safety of their players. Players have gone to these clubs from all over Sydney because they win. Parents drive for kilometres just so their kids can be in a winning team. This competition is just as unbalanced as the GPS. Maybe club rugby needs to also remove the adults!!

 

[whatever]

IMO a horrible idea even if done for the right reasons.

Schoolboy rugby is special in a way club rugby (especially junior club rugby) is not. No u17 club team gets to play in front of a crowd of 10,000. No club team has 100 years of continuous history behind it.

If you made rugby totally club you'd halve your playing number in that age group immediately- because for most kids not in the As/1st teams just play because it's the done thing at school; you have a bit of a good time win some games and hang out with your mates.

When you lose the kids in the the c,d,e,f teams you lose you lose future waratahs fans, future wallaby fans, future rugby people for life.

The logistics of training are far easier with schoolboy rugby, less training time is wasted sitting in sydney traffic.

Instead of destroying what is arguably the only solid aspect of Australian Rugby, why don't we follow the world wide best practise - stop club rugby from U13-U17 and instead push for every high school in the country to have a rugby team(s).

This is what they do in NZ and South Africa, and it has a far better track record of producing both talented players and long term rugby fans.

• Why would you lose the c,d,e,f teams if the schools played their rugby mid-week?
• Union is not the dominant rugby code in Australia (unlike NZ and SA); league is.

 

[cyclopath]

Kings = Hawtocracy?

I always thought it was a military Junta, but that might just be the spiffy outfits.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Club rugby is no different. In the U15 div 1 comp this year Mosman and Hunters Hill beat most teams by 30-60. With some teams forfeiting for the safety of their players. Players have gone to these clubs from all over Sydney because they win. Parents drive for kilometres just so their kids can be in a winning team. This competition is just as unbalanced as the GPS. Maybe club rugby needs to also remove the adults!!

Mosman didn't even make the grand final in U15's Div 1 - they were flogged by HH in a semi having finished 2nd behind Chatswood - but not having played some of the top teams after the regrading - Chatswood beat HH 17-13 in the GF.
Mosman lost to the 2nd last placed team in Lane Cove 2 weeks before the semis.
Kids who joined in 2013 were refugees from the fact that Easts offered no U15 team this year and they had school mates already playing there.

 

[Sam Banana]

Mosman didn't even make the grand final in U15's Div 1 - they were flogged by HH in a semi having finished 2nd behind Chatswood - but not having played some of the top teams after the regrading - Chatswood beat HH 17-13 in the GF.
Mosman lost to the 2nd last placed team in Lane Cove 2 weeks before the semis.
Kids who joined in 2013 were refugees from the fact that Easts offered no U15 team this year and they had school mates already playing there.

Sorry you're right it was Chatswood and Hunters Hill who flogged everyone!! Are you sure they were from easts one particular star was previously at Randwick?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Sorry you're right it was Chatswood and Hunters Hill who flogged everyone!! Are you sure they were from easts one particular star was previously at Randwick?

He went over 2 years ago because no one at Randwick could tell him what was happening and then rego deadline arrived.

 

[Rugby Parent]

Newington gets a mention:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/victory-spoils-the-sport-20130927-2ujor.html

More newspaper comment:
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/schools-learn-lessons-of-sporting-world-20130927-2ujon.html

 

[Sam Banana]

He went over 2 years ago because no one at Randwick could tell him what was happening and then rego deadline arrived.

is that the same reason he left Bays a few years before that?.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Posts #3077, #3076, #3074, and 1/2 of #3073 should be part of a private conversation between @inside shoulder and @Sam banana.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Posts #3077, #3076, #3074, and 1/2 of #3073 should be part of a private conversation between @inside shoulder and @Sam banana.

When are they going to offer you that vacant moderator's job?

 

[rawsteak]

• Why would you lose the c,d,e,f teams if the schools played their rugby mid-week?

Not disagreeing with your statement but imagine the amount of older boys who have a whole afternoon/night taken out of their study time. I know from experience that boys rarely study on a Saturday. Also logistically it would be mayhem

Genesis 1 "God made an oval shaped ball to be played on the sixth day".

 

[forwards4ever]

Club rugby is no different. In the U15 div 1 comp this year Mosman and Hunters Hill beat most teams by 30-60. With some teams forfeiting for the safety of their players. Players have gone to these clubs from all over Sydney because they win. Parents drive for kilometres just so their kids can be in a winning team. This competition is just as unbalanced as the GPS. Maybe club rugby needs to also remove the adults!!

NO! Not the adults just the PARENTS! Adults with no blood ties generally make far more informed decisions!

 

[Quick Hands]

Posts #3077, #3076, #3074, and 1/2 of #3073 should be part of a private conversation between @inside shoulder and @Sam banana.

I think that Marto might refer to these as "technical infringements".