RWC 2027 Australia

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Yeah the Raiders have a much bigger fan base I'd argue

Its ironic though as in my mind there is far more junior rugby union played in Canberra then league.

The Brumbies/ACTRU need to start giving free GA tickets to juniors again. I dont know why they dont do it considering the bowls are never anywhere near full at GIO.

The thing that always sticks in my mind to show GIO is a poor stadium is whenever there is an overhead/drone shot and you see how flat the whole stadium is.

Some of the best seats you would still be 20m from the fence but only 2m above ground level.

Any registered Rugby player under 18 should get a GA pass. Discounted ticket for registered senior players.

All the best new stadiums are steep. Bank West (Parramatta) is outstanding viewing from anywhere. It does make you want to go live because you it's a good customer experience. The new Everton stadium seems to take it to a new vertigo inducing level.

 

[JRugby2]

Their games won't be that late and I'm thinking for the fans wanting to take in the sights through the base of a Schooner...

Players will be fine and deal with it. If the Scots and Irish have to pay for extra baggage for the sun screen that's their problem. Part of the game is going and winning in different conditions.

Also we've had the last 2 RWCs in Japan and Paris when it's been regularly 30+ degs for the first 2-3 weeks of the tournament

 

[JRugby2]

Unless Brisbane has any plans on becoming an authoritarian corrupt petrostate I think you can hold your breath

You don't know the things I'd do for a bigger stadium

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

 

[Slim 293]

Yeah the Raiders have a much bigger fan base I'd argue

Its ironic though as in my mind there is far more junior rugby union played in Canberra then league.

The Brumbies/ACTRU need to start giving free GA tickets to juniors again. I dont know why they dont do it considering the bowls are never anywhere near full at GIO.

The thing that always sticks in my mind to show GIO is a poor stadium is whenever there is an overhead/drone shot and you see how flat the whole stadium is.

Some of the best seats you would still be 20m from the fence but only 2m above ground level.

It was certainly the reverse there for a long time...

Probably from around the Brumbies' inception until roughly under twenty years ago the Brumbies had the dominant crowds with the Raiders barely attracting anyone, aside from a couple of times they made the finals.

I'm sure we can write an entire essay on why that's since changed... that golden era of Super Rugby/Australian rugby/Brumbies' big name superstars, the Raiders' improvement since, fan engagement, the NRL as a bigger and better product, the general lack of interest in Super Rugby and crowds plummeting all over the country, changes in consumer engagement and the lack of interest in people wanting to go out to the old, windy ice box in Bruce etc. etc.

 

[Slim 293]

Anyways, this probably has another week in the media cycle before it's dragged back up in 2027...

However, the "offer" Barr touted wasn't a promise of government funding. Instead, it was potential revenue from hospitality and ticket sales to the public.

The Canberra Times can reveal the actual cash pledge from the government was just $2 million in total for all four games - a $1.6 million payment to the World Cup and another $400,000 to be spent on a fan zone and free public transport.

And while Barr said the decision to bypass Canberra was "all about money", the most powerful man World Rugby - chairman Brett Robinson - said the ageing facilities at Canberra Stadium also counted against the capital.

Despite all of that, Barr said the government estimated a $2 million outlay to host games would generate $9 million in economic activity for the city. In the end it amounted to nothing because World Cup organisers formally rejected the proposal earlier this week.

The real numbers behind the ACT's World Cup bid revealed after Barr's 'offer'

Officials are at odds over Canberra's 2027 Rugby World Cup fate.

www.canberratimes.com.au

 

[Wilson]

Bit more detail on the ACT bid in the Canberra Times today:

The ACT government pitched a $500,000 per-game bid to have rugby union World Cup matches in Canberra, far less than the multimillion-dollar "package" Chief Minister Andrew Barr said had been rejected.
...
Barr said the government presented a four-game offer for tier-c games that "amounted to around $2.5 million for each match" and would rise as high as $12 million in total pending ticket sales.
However, the "offer" Barr touted wasn't a promise of government funding. Instead, it was potential revenue from hospitality and ticket sales to the public.
The Canberra Times can reveal the actual cash pledge from the government was just $2 million in total for all four games - a $1.6 million payment to the World Cup and another $400,000 to be spent on a fan zone and free public transport.

The real numbers behind the ACT's World Cup bid revealed after Barr's 'offer'

Officials are at odds over Canberra's 2027 Rugby World Cup fate.

www.canberratimes.com.au

Really damning part is here:

Barr's spin on the figures created confusion. When all of that was stripped back, the government estimated a $2 million outlay would generate $9 million in economic activity for the city.

So by their own numbers Barr could've doubled the offer and still seen more than double that again come in in terms of economic activity.

 

[Derpus]

 

[whitefalcon]

All registered juniors do get free entry to all Brumbies home games

Brumbies Community Rugby News – Marist Rugby Canberra

www.maristrugby.com

TIL

I understood this wasn't the case anymore.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

I've never been, so take your word for it, always looks cold and uninviting from the comfort of my lounge chair or the sports bar.
It doesn't seem to stop league crowds turning up though.

Been twice. Like Canberra alot
Stadium sucks and location is no good.
It is a fact

 

[Alex Sharpe]

I know I'm in the minority here but I don't really see the issue with GIO.
It doesn't have the bells and whistles of some of the other grounds, but really, who cares? I go there to watch rugby, not order a gelato and get a foot rub. The place can be cold, but WC27 will be mid spring, so that is a non issue. GIO does needs work but that doesn't mean that it isn't fit for purpose.
Having 5 games in Adelaide and 0 in Canberra is a colossal fuck up. CBR is one of the few places in Australia where rugby union remains a dominant winter code. The rugby community down there deserve better.

 

[Braveheart81]

I know I'm in the minority here but I don't really see the issue with GIO.
It doesn't have the bells and whistles of some of the other grounds, but really, who cares? I go there to watch rugby, not order a gelato and get a foot rub. The place can be cold, but WC27 will be mid spring, so that is a non issue. GIO does needs work but that doesn't mean that it isn't fit for purpose.
Having 5 games in Adelaide and 0 in Canberra is a colossal fuck up. CBR is one of the few places in Australia where rugby union remains a dominant winter code. The rugby community down there deserve better.

A big part of the problem is that not enough people attend games in Canberra and part of the reason they don't is because the experience is substandard.

Meanwhile Adelaide is an excellent place to watch sport and people will travel there for games. Presumably the state government put in a good bid for the games they received because they know it will be popular.

I agree the rugby community in Canberra deserve better but their ire should largely be directed at their own government.

 

[Alex Sharpe]

A big part of the problem is that not enough people attend games in Canberra and part of the reason they don't is because the experience is substandard.

Meanwhile Adelaide is an excellent place to watch sport and people will travel there for games. Presumably the state government put in a good bid for the games they received because they know it will be popular.

I agree the rugby community in Canberra deserve better but their ire should largely be directed at their own government.

Completely agree that the ACT government are the chief culprits here.

 

[Brumby Runner]

The claim that not enough people attend Brumbies games is true but possibly irrelevant in terms of RWC games. The 8 - 10,000 rusted on fans would attend while an event like the RWC will generate its own following over and above that number.

I think the more likely explanation for Canberra missing out is related to the paucity of the facilities and the totally inadequate assistance offered by our sports-opposed government. The City's economy will be the real loser from this.

 

[fatprop]

If the ACT government doesn't value the "event" as much as SA or VIC ...............................................

Commercial decisions often suck, RA needs to be as commercially ruthless as they can; and if that means sucking $$$ from state governments, so be it. It is the Australian sporting way .

 

[Braveheart81]

The claim that not enough people attend Brumbies games is true but possibly irrelevant in terms of RWC games. The 8 - 10,000 rusted on fans would attend while an event like the RWC will generate its own following over and above that number.

More generally though, the crowds at the last two tests held in Canberra haven't been good (about 60% full) and I think that is a key reason why Canberra isn't likely to get another rugby test (where Rugby Australia is the decision maker, not World Rugby) until they have a new stadium.

 

[Rob42]

It's no comparison between the SA government and ACT. SA has been the leader in attracting outsized sporting events for ages, right back to the F1 GP in the '80s. It's a great stadium visually, great facilities, looks awesome on broadcasts, and the city knows how to put on an event. So everyone can overlook the fact that it's not a rectangular stadium.

ACT government will probably be focusing on Floriade at that time of year, can't overload the facilities.