Rugby Championship 2012: Our forwards!

[barbarian]

I disagree with that statistic having watched the game a couple of times now. He lost the ball twice according to Scrum.com, with one due to a poor pass from Beale.

Other than that he lead the stats in both runs and tackles. I think that qualifies as a huge performance.
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[Scotty]

4 times was just my count. 3 in contact and 1 from the Beale pass.

 

[Lindommer]

How anyone thinks Dennis is playing better then Higginbotham I'll never know.

Easy, if you're not from Queensland. Dennis doesn't seagull, simple. Fucking spare me: every Reds supporter here has bagged the Tahs players in gold and supported a red alternative. I don't give a flying fuck which state they come from, as long as they're the best players to run out for Australia.

If any Reds tragics want to take me on I'm quite happy to go back and trawl through many posts and count 'em. Get over it. The Tahs have as many good players as any other team, what's holding them back are the coaches, not the cattle. And the Tahs pigs have been as good as any other pack this year, that's why they've been picked!

Pigs/cattle, forgive my mixed metaphors.

 

[barbarian]

4 times was just my count. 3 in contact and 1 from the Beale pass.

Rugbyheaven says 3, Espn says 2 and I say 2. So I think your count may be a little high there.

 

[Scotty]

Meet you in the middle and call it three?

From memory there were 12 handling errors from the wallabies, so he was responsible for a quarter of them, and if every starting player made the same number there would have been 45. Is that really good enough?

 

[barbarian]

I didn't say he played the perfect fucking game.

If your workrate is as high as Palu's was on Saturday you are going to make a few errors. As long as they aren't shockers I can cop that. His weren't. If every forward put in his 80 minute effort on Saturday we would have won that game by a fair bit more I reckon.
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[Slim 293]

Rugbystats have 17 turnovers.......

Palu had 3. The same amount as Ioane and Beale.......

ESPN's stats have 4 turnovers from Ioane, and 2 from Palu.......

Rugbystats tends to be more reliable though.

 

[barbarian]

Oh yeah one was when he was carrying the ball loosely after making a break and a Welsh guy sort of knocked it out of his hands. Again fairly forgiveable as far as errors go.

 

[Scotty]

Easy, if you're not from Queensland. Dennis doesn't seagull, simple. Fucking spare me: every Reds supporter here has bagged the Tahs players in gold and supported a red alternative. I don't give a flying fuck which state they come from, as long as they're the best players to run out for Australia.

If any Reds tragics want to take me on I'm quite happy to go back and trawl through many posts and count 'em. Get over it. The Tahs have as many good players as any other team, what's holding them back are the coaches, not the cattle. And the Tahs pigs have been as good as any other pack this year, that's why they've been picked!

Pigs/cattle, forgive my mixed metaphors.

Do you honesty believe that based on the s15 season we should have been seeing 9 tahs in the starting lineup (10 if you want Dennis as well). Does any tahs supporter?

And I know the response 'no, but they did well, didn't they?'. Yes we won, but who knows if we could have played better if some more form players were tried? (and I would include Dennis swapping with Palu in this.)

 

[barbarian]

And I know the response 'no, but they did well, didn't they?'. Yes we won, but who knows if we could have played better if some more form players were tried? (and I would include Dennis swapping with Palu in this.)

Exactly. I think we would have won every game by at least 30 points.

Deans must go.
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[Scotty]

I thought you'd finally agree with me.

Who said me staying up past my bed time wasn't worthwhile?

 

[barbarian]

I have done a video analysis piece for the front page on Sita Timani. Check it out.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/video-sitaleki-timani-v-wales/

 

[DPK]

Do you honesty believe that based on the s15 season we should have been seeing 9 tahs in the starting lineup (10 if you want Dennis as well). Does any tahs supporter?

That question would be a whole lot more confronting if every Australian player from this s15 season was available for selection.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

If your 'on form' is super xv form then that would not be correct at all. If it is on test form it may be (although I fail to see how Palu and Dennis have been clearly better than higginbotham), but it isn't like anyone else has got a chance to stake a claim, is it?

Like I said, the tahs players have had a massive leg up from the scheduling and deans' reluctance to try and improve a winning team. I can't see how a player that hasn't been involved in the Wales series possibly has a chance to stake a claim in the next three rounds (apart from cooper and JOC (James O'Connor)), because clearly super form doesn't really matter too much for these selectors!

Sorry, I meant on test form. You would be right to assert that one or two of the pack would be a little fortunate to be in the side based on Super form alone.

I will say as I did before that I like what I've seen from Dennis.

 

[TOCC]

Easy, if you're not from Queensland. Dennis doesn't seagull, simple. Fucking spare me: every Reds supporter here has bagged the Tahs players in gold and supported a red alternative. I don't give a flying fuck which state they come from, as long as they're the best players to run out for Australia.

If any Reds tragics want to take me on I'm quite happy to go back and trawl through many posts and count 'em. Get over it. The Tahs have as many good players as any other team, what's holding them back are the coaches, not the cattle. And the Tahs pigs have been as good as any other pack this year, that's why they've been picked!

Pigs/cattle, forgive my mixed metaphors.

Jeez stop being such a sour puss...

The Waratahs have gone shit in 2012, you can't deny that... Its only natural that by having 9 Waratahs in the starting lineup of the Wallabies that there is going to be questions..

Waratahs fans would be saying the same thing if their were 9 Force players selected in the Wallabies..

 

[Slim 293]

Who cares about the Reds and Waratahs when the top Australian side only has one player in the Wallaby XV.......

 

[Athilnaur]

Well heres my personal rating of our forwards based on what I saw or consider they can be relied on to deliver;

Robinson 7
TPN 6.5
Moore 6 but will do better
Alexander 4 but could do better
Palmer 6 want him in
Kepu 7 getting better and better
Sharp 6.5+
Simmons 5 laziness annoys me lineouts save his bacon
Timani 4+ not this year or next from what I see, Deans was wrong, could be a good no8 with time and energy
Dennis 6.5 and rising very impressed
Higgers 6 but could do better
Pocock 9
Hooper 6.5+ rough start class player
Palu 6.5+ and dropping rust fast


Others
Pyle needs a go
Gill needs a go
Slipper needs a go


And I'd love to see metrics for how much each puts into a scrum as we need to keep prioritising this, sick of the ref negativity.

For me its the forwards who get my rap for biggest contributors to the series win, really impressed.

Standouts in series for me

Pocock

Robinson
Kepu
TPN
Sharp esp Scotland
Dennis
Palu




Ath.

 

[Scotty]

Sorry, I meant on test form. You would be right to assert that one or two of the pack would be a little fortunate to be in the side based on Super form alone.

I will say as I did before that I like what I've seen from Dennis.

Yeah, I thought so. My point was that we have no clear idea of the test form of some of the form super players:

Palmer
Douglas
Pyle
Dennis (I agree I like him too)
Hooper
Slipper

 

[gel]

I have done a video analysis piece for the front page on Sita Timani. Check it out.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/video-sitaleki-timani-v-wales/

Thanks for going to the effort. Not a terrible game.

Was an interesting video and allowed me to see more than what I saw at the game (obviously! Bay 18 aren't the best seats in the house). Some simple work I did not see before.

I still feel (after watching it) he offered no more than anyone else and didn't lift to any great heights which was my original point in the other thread. So why bother to continue the experiment?

A number of those tackles were reasonably soft, and even allowed players to offload which meant some of the tackles were reasonably ineffective. For a guy with his natural gifts he should have busted through some of those tackles as well.

@lindommer, please remove your hand from it... I am a reds fan and have repeatedly stated that the tahs front three should be there, suggested Pyle (and Simmons - but if wanting to see what a player has to offer then I understand why he would be the one to go) instead of Timani and even stated I am happy with most of this team to stay as it is in order to build consistency and teamwork to the obvious exclusion of the reds that are not in this team now. Timani is the ONLY guy I feel has been lucky in that he has not shown anything special thus far. Why he gets a run over others who have shown more form for longer is simply beyond me. We know what he offers now, an ordinary performance and nothing more.

On super rugby form I would not have picked a number of the other tahs guys but they have played well and won. That is something to build on by being consistent for the rugby challenge.

Dennis did well when he came on. please keep him around.

Edit:are the two offloads counted as missed tackles?

 

[gel]

Oh and what I said earlier this thread... FFS keep the front three going. The scrums and line out were not good this game but had been excellent in the other two games. Just work on the consistency.