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Round 6: Highlanders v Rebels, Fri 31st Mar

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Ken Catchpole (46)
It's.
Not.
The.
Coaches.

FFS people - wake the fuck up!

There's a myriad of coaches, from multiple backgrounds and with varying levels of experience, yet the skills and performance of the players in the Australian super rugby franchises is the same.

Breaks get made and opportunities created, but no one is ever there to capitalise because the players are all putting in minimum effort. That's not the coaches fault.

Some of the effort in this game was beyond pathetic. But the players know that they'll still be picked next week because there's no one else to take their place.

Why try?

The Australian super rugby players are not professionals by any definition other than they get paid. they're certainly not interested in winning.

(I'm sorry if I offend any of you Rebels supporters, but this performance angered me immensely. Rebels are my second favourite team and the supporters the best in the country. I hate seeing this behaviour By Aussie athletes).
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
It's.
Not.
The.
Coaches.

FFS people - wake the fuck up!

There's a myriad of coaches, from multiple backgrounds and with varying levels of experience, yet the skills and performance of the players in the Australian super rugby franchises is the same.

Breaks get made and opportunities created, but no one is ever there to capitalise because the players are all putting in minimum effort. That's not the coaches fault.

Some of the effort in this game was beyond pathetic. But the players know that they'll still be picked next week because there's no one else to take their place.

Why try?

The Australian super rugby players are not professionals by any definition other than they get paid. they're certainly not interested in winning.

(I'm sorry if I offend any of you Rebels supporters, but this performance angered me immensely. Rebels are my second favourite team and the supporters the best in the country. I hate seeing this behaviour By Aussie athletes).

What I unfortunately keep saying Gel, and I not trying to be down on Aus rugby because I a kiwi etc, I get angry with all the excuses that are made because I love rugby, and seeing Aus teams playing like this makes it so hard to promote the game, which impacts on trying to get young players etc down at my local rugby club!! Everytime I read it the coaches fault, or even worse to me it's the Ref's fault he should of done this or that, I cringe. It starts too far up with even Chuckles forever pointing at refs etc, and continues down to players (who lets face it last night looked to have no interest in putting bodies on line) and down to supposed fans who also blame refs, league, AFL etc etc. You know what it's time to stop saying why things are wrong and EVERYONE to stand up and do something.
Go down to your local club, help out, do some coaching encourage kids to play how we want, or help run the club so your views get heard where it matters. I know at times it seems like you can make no difference, but if enough do it you will. I have played,coached kids to seniors (not saying I any good) been on committees managed teams etc most of my adult life, once again not saying I was any good ,but at least I felt I was trying to do something!
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Won't single any player out, but the Rebels surely need a new front row, second row and halves combination, as well as a new coach.

Timani goes so well at No 8 for the Wallabies, but doesn't get much a look in there with the Rebels. Make sense? A few other individuals are also not up to the mark this year. Very disappointing.
 

mst

Peter Johnson (47)
It's.
Not.
The.
Coaches.

FFS people - wake the fuck up!

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Nope, wrong. At best it 50% player but look at you reasoning and start considering the evidence.

The Rebels look like they are lost because they are lost and defeated. Simply consider the psychology and emotions, let alone confidence and motivational impact if you, after months of pre-season preparation, go into the season believing you should be ready and and discover that everything you have worked so hard to put in place is way off then mark. How would you view the coaching team who plans and ideas were so far off the mark its a disaster? Then several weeks in there has been no real changes to help things. You seek help but the coaches have no answers. Would you look like that team last night? Would you give a crap by now?

As for selection: Aussie coaches are notorious for being obsessive with selection and its part the player quality issues. Whether its a JD @10 under-performing year after year, or a Toua at the Brumbies who is questionable in his 2nd attempt at Super Rugby level , or trying to recycle players like perennial under-performer Godwin. A quick look at the teams and you will see the the Brumbies and the Reds have recruited half the "past its" or left overs. Aussie coaches are reluctant to pick outside of the "established" players, hold back players due to age more so than any country in the world; so you reap what you sow.

The competitiveness of the Rebels in patches like against the Tah's suggest that it not all a player issues.

So going back basics to look at you points; player selection - well TT has been there a while and has recruited that squad. He has had opportunities to change players and he has who he wants. Before we launch in to there are no other player option there are over 100 players playing O/S and we saw plenty of talent in the NRC.

The game plans he designs and implements, so why are the performances producing the same outcomes? Generally when you change up the players like the changes in the forwards and back over the last 2 years (Eg; Hanson, JGB @10) and you are getting the same outputs and results you have to ask if its the plan because when no combination is greeting the desired outcome it becomes obvious whats floored. So this is fully down to coaching.

As for being professional, well that comes down to the standards set. Have a look at Aussie rugby at the moment from the poor coaching, lack of skill being taught, lack of pathways. poor club administration right up to the ARU and the Super Rugby issues. Generally, aside from the players its pretty much a cluster. IMHO, and it might only be a coincidence, but can you find anybody in the cluster that is from outside of "öur" system? I would go as far as to put forward the theory at we are so incestuous, rife with nepotism (the way TT got appointed) and insular that we have inbred our problems and don't know what to do about them.

There are 13 teams that don't have the issue we have performance wise, and the players standards and skills are comparative to at least the SA teams (remember quotas dictate their selections).

Here is a good clue about the reasons from someone that knows. You will rarely see this (only Link IIRC )in Aussie rugby but the reality is is need to happen a lot more at all levels for the benefit of our game:

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Dan54

David Wilson (68)
On the game and H'Landers, by geez A Smith is a class act, I have yet to see another No9 that can throw out va rocket pass and thread it between players to hit his target as well as he does, and the bugger does it off either hand!!
And Luke Whitelock played a blinder and a good lesson to players on what we talk about work ethic, that try he got there were 2 quick rucks in a row, he was involved in both, got off the ground instantly and hit the second one, then off the ground to take Franklin's pass. great stuff and what I like to see.
 

Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
No I felt there whole general play and approach does leave blame partly at the coaches door.

I singled out the coach as the whole team moves and plays were just so bloody abysmal.
 
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