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Refereeing decisions

Bullrush

John Hipwell (52)
There are completely legitimate reasons to turn and run to where a ball is being kicked regardless of what you 'believe' they are deliberately doing. Are we going to ask refs to start judging a players intent in running towards the ball?

The same thing happens when a player is running in support of a ball carrier. They can actually be obstructing a defender from getting to the ball but it's legal as long as they aren't changing their line to interfere with the defender.
 

Bullrush

John Hipwell (52)
They players know what they are doing is blocking. Otherwise they would run back behind the player to be able to support the next phase. The game / referees could get rid of this with a couple of penalties. If players were penalised as part of a 4 man wall, they wouldn't complain. They would be happy that they got away with it for so long.
Why would you run back behind the player when the player catching ball is about to run forward?

And will you penalise players who aren't fast enough to beat the ball to catcher or are they just not allowed to run towards the ball?
 

Eyes and Ears

Bob Davidson (42)
There are completely legitimate reasons to turn and run to where a ball is being kicked regardless of what you 'believe' they are deliberately doing. Are we going to ask refs to start judging a players intent in running towards the ball?
yes - IMO it's a form of obstruction as they have no "intent" to compete for the ball and they are preventing the other team from competing for the ball.

It's a game based on competiton. What option does the chasing team have? They can't push them or tackle them. It's completely unfair to the chasing team. I can perhaps accept one player tracking back as they can run around them but a "wall" is problematic and is another trend like the "caterpillar" that should not be allowed.
 

Bullrush

John Hipwell (52)
yes - IMO it's a form of obstruction as they have no "intent" to compete for the ball and they are preventing the other team from competing for the ball.

It's a game based on competiton. What option does the chasing team have? They can't push them or tackle them. It's completely unfair to the chasing team. I can perhaps accept one player tracking back as they can run around them but a "wall" is problematic and is another trend like the "caterpillar" that should not be allowed.
'IMO' is the key phrase. Cos that's just your opinion. Stopping the defending team from competing for the ball happens at every ruck and breakdown.

How many times do we see a player catch a kick, get tackled, and then lose possession in the counter ruck. Competing at kicks happens all the time - which is why players from the receiving team run towards the ball. And is why they are called "contestable'.
 

JRugby2

Bill Watson (15)
They players know what they are doing is blocking. Otherwise they would run back behind the player to be able to support the next phase. The game / referees could get rid of this with a couple of penalties. If players were penalised as part of a 4 man wall, they wouldn't complain. They would be happy that they got away with it for so long.
What's the tangible difference (that can be identified by match officials) between this and running back towards where the ball will land - but blocking?

Players are allowed to retreat backwards towards where the ball is - and they are not offside. Running backwards on the same line is not blocking.

yes - IMO it's a form of obstruction as they have no "intent" to compete for the ball and they are preventing the other team from competing for the ball.

It's a game based on competiton. What option does the chasing team have?

Run around them.

They can't push them or tackle them. It's completely unfair to the chasing team.

It's not - because anyone running in the direction of the ball could realistically be judged to wanting to compete for possession.

Are we going to start penalising people for the speed at which they run? Just because they are running back at a slower pace doesn't mean they should be compelled to get out of the way of players running faster than them.

The ball is in the air so no team is in possession and every player from both teams on the field has the right to run towards it following the most direct path. If that path is shared by 2 opposed players than neither has any more right to it than the other.

I can perhaps accept one player tracking back as they can run around them but a "wall" is problematic and is another trend like the "caterpillar" that should not be allowed.

It's more problematic for the team who usually takes possession because the moment someone catches it then those players in front are compelled to move out of the way and give direct access to the ball carrier.


This is not that deep.
 
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Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
There are completely legitimate reasons to turn and run to where a ball is being kicked regardless of what you 'believe' they are deliberately doing. Are we going to ask refs to start judging a players intent in running towards the ball?

The same thing happens when a player is running in support of a ball carrier. They can actually be obstructing a defender from getting to the ball but it's legal as long as they aren't changing their line to interfere with the defender.
I know Cyclo wants the discussion to end, but this is just an absolute over-simplification. A support runner can legally obstruct a ball runner but only if he is behind, and hence onside, that ball runner. If he's in front of the carrier then he's in much the same situation as the blockers for a kick receiver and definitely offside and a penalty for obstruction is the sanction.
 

Bullrush

John Hipwell (52)
I know Cyclo wants the discussion to end, but this is just an absolute over-simplification. A support runner can legally obstruct a ball runner but only if he is behind, and hence onside, that ball runner. If he's in front of the carrier then he's in much the same situation as the blockers for a kick receiver and definitely offside and a penalty for obstruction is the sanction.
The only over-simplification is in thinking that simply being in the front of the ball always constitutes an obstruction.

Again, it happens at almost every breakdown in the game and as yet, I'm yet to hear how anyone would plan to penalise players for retreating back towards where a ball has been kicked.

What are the exact actions that you would make illegal?
 
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