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RBS 6 Nations 2013

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the plastic paddy

John Solomon (38)
Ireland tours(assuming we are still pissing about with the lions)

2014 Argentina

2016 SA (ouch)

2017 Japan

2018 Aus

2020 Argentina

2021 Pacific Islands

2022 TBC
 

the plastic paddy

John Solomon (38)
The Ireland Team to play France on Saturday 9th March 2013 in Aviva Stadium, Dublin in the RBS 6 Nations Championship, K.O. 5:00 pm, is:
(Player/club/province/international caps):
15 - Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster/44)
14 - Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster/16)
13 - Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster/123)
12 - Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster/1)
11 - Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster/37)
10 - Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster/1)
9 - Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster/17)
1 - Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster/37)
2 - Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster/65)
3 - Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster/27)
4 - Mike McCarthy (Buccaneers/Connacht/8)
5 - Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster/26)
6 - Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster/12)
7 - Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster/25)
8 - Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster/55) Captain

Replacements:
16 - Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster/24)
17 - David Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster/5)
18 - Stephen Archer (Cork Constitution/Munster/)*
19 - Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster/93)
20 - Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster/3)
21 - Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster/49)
22 - Ian Madigan (Blackrock College/Leinster)*
23 - Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College /Leinster/24)


Delighted for Stephen Archer although I hope he doesn't need to come on until Domingo has gone off!!??!! He has come on in leaps and bounds this season. Now we have to hope that Deccie's parting gift to the team is to make proper use of his bench, especially Madigan.
 

the plastic paddy

John Solomon (38)
One of Ireland big regrets after winning the slam in 09 has to be that they couldn't tour NZ or South Africa with a fully fit squad on a roll straight after. However lets be fair so long as the IRFU are making a lot of cash out of the Lions Irish players will be playing.
As much as I enjoy supporting the Lions it doesn't mean the same to be as Ireland or Leinster. In SA in 2009 for example I wasn't too down as the majority of the Irish guys did themselves proud.
They did but, sadly, the only one of them who has got close to regaining the form he took into that tour is Bowe.
 

JSRF10

Dick Tooth (41)
Well done Stephen Archer didn't think he'd be this close to the Ireland set up at the start of the season, however I would say if Ross goes down early it won't be pretty. I know Archer has improved this season but still varies between average and awful.
I hope Mad Dog gets a good 25 minutes off the bench, he is a proper impact player with a true all out attack style. I think he could have a huge couple of years ahead of him now that he'll be Leinsters first choice out half.
I think we need to see more from POM in defence he tackle count (13 over 2 and a half games) isnt great for a 6, and we need to set SOB coming onto the ball at pace not taking it standing still.
Given the championship is over between the 50 and 60 minute marks I'd like to see Killer, Cronin, Hendo, Reddan, Mad Dog and Fitz come on. 3 forward who are dynamic and can all carry ball, a pair of half backs to speed up the game and Fitz who can create something out of nothing. However I fully expect to see all these changes around the 77 minute mark.
 

Craig Riddington

Sydney Middleton (9)
I really don't understand why you appear so hostile to this suggestion that Ireland should not be involved with the Lions, I suspect part of the problem is the whole debate that is raging about British identity at the moment and the deeply rooted insecurity about England as the dominant nation within Britain but I am sure the Lions will survive without Irish involvement.

Extraordinarily perceptive. Yes, I often sit here in my little Aussie home thinking of the mother country and contemplating my deep rooted insecurity about England no longer being the dominant nation it once was. What a raging debate we have in our house about British identity. My half English/ half Australian 5 yo son woke me every day of the World Cup with his version of 'Advance Australia Fair' - never missed a day and now, England are no longer a dominant nation. Geez, it's the end of the Empire, I'm F!@#ed :)

I'm not hostile to your suggestion - please don't take it seriously. I blame Willie John Mcbride for my support of the Lions tour. He's a very impressive man. I was very impressed when I met him. Everybody was, including the man standing next to me. In fact, the man standing next to me was in complete awe of Willie John Mcbride. So much so, he was nearly wetting himself with excitement. And yet, this man was a Lion himself and a World Cup winner. In meeting Willie John Mcbride you start to realise why Andy Ripley would have followed this him over hot coals and why Will Greenwood was in awe of him. But that's not it. When you see on forums and you hear down the pub and in the stadiums, supporters slag the players and coaches of other countries, when you hear them abuse others just cos they were born in another country or you see supporters of one country spit on players of another, or when you even hear people judging players that they don't even know, based on hearsay or a headline, then, I have this romantic idea that we could all learn from the Lions players. Because, even though the Lions tour is over hyped and over commercialised, it still brings players from four rival countries together. And most of those players will form a bond between them built on respect. Some will even find a friendship that will last a life-time. In this divisive and over cynical world, I think that is quite cool. Naive, I know, but I don't give a...
 

the plastic paddy

John Solomon (38)
Extraordinarily perceptive. Yes, I often sit here in my little Aussie home thinking of the mother country and contemplating my deep rooted insecurity about England no longer being the dominant nation it once was. What a raging debate we have in our house about British identity. My half English/ half Australian 5 yo son woke me every day of the World Cup with his version of 'Advance Australia Fair' - never missed a day and now, England are no longer a dominant nation. Geez, it's the end of the Empire, I'm F!@#ed :)

I'm not hostile to your suggestion - please don't take it seriously. I blame Willie John Mcbride for my support of the Lions tour. He's a very impressive man. I was very impressed when I met him. Everybody was, including the man standing next to me. In fact, the man standing next to me was in complete awe of Willie John Mcbride. So much so, he was nearly wetting himself with excitement. And yet, this man was a Lion himself and a World Cup winner. In meeting Willie John Mcbride you start to realise why Andy Ripley would have followed this him over hot coals and why Will Greenwood was in awe of him. But that's not it. When you see on forums and you hear down the pub and in the stadiums, supporters slag the players and coaches of other countries, when you hear them abuse others just cos they were born in another country or you see supporters of one country spit on players of another, or when you even hear people judging players that they don't even know, based on hearsay or a headline, then, I have this romantic idea that we could all learn from the Lions players. Because, even though the Lions tour is over hyped and over commercialised, it still brings players from four rival countries together. And most of those players will form a bond between them built on respect. Some will even find a friendship that will last a life-time. In this divisive and over cynical world, I think that is quite cool. Naive, I know, but I don't give a.
The point about insecurities and England was more Wales and Scotland relative to England and the small issue in Britain of an upcoming referendum on Scottish independence. If the English get their wish and, by some miracle, the scots vote to bite off the hand that feeds them, the next tour could be undertaken by the British, Irish and Scottish Lions. Starting to become too much of a mouthful I would say and would probably be better if the Irish bit wasn't there!?!

I don't disagree that the Lions was a fantastic institution in the amateur era, it has done well to make it as far as it has in the professional era but, just as Irish players are precluded from representing the barbarians, I believe the time will come when the decision will be made that Ireland do not have the player pool to justify our best playing for a team for which increasing numbers of Irish people have little more than a passing interest and irish rugby provincial and national is to a large extent 'owned' by the supporters.

Much of this sentiment I put down to the massive pride there is in Ireland for the provincial teams. Unlike among the British nations, I would suggest that a very high proportion of Irish rugby supporters would describe themselves as identifying commeasuredly with the rugby team of their native province; and many of us take huge pride in the performances of our fellow provinces. If you want to see that in action watch the Heineken cup quarter final in Twickenham between Saracens and Ulster when you will see many thousands of Munster, Leinster and Connacht fans 'standing up for the Ulster men'. For all that, I am sure our Heaslip avatared friend, JSRF10, would agree that interprovincial rugby matches are all about bragging rights and passion.

I believe this regional pride has supplanted the admirable, romantic notion of four into one that the Lions used to fulfill. Sure the provinces were there under Willie John and Moss Keane (and the political background was such that the coming together of the four was a fine thing) but they didn't have the Heineken cup. Munster fans did not have the chance to travel around Europe proud Munstermen and women even if, as is the case with the upcoming QF, many of them don't even have tickets!! Increasingly the comments that are heard about the Lions are made in a regional context: we follow the Lions but we cannot afford to risk such and such a player because they are so important to our Heineken cup campaign.

The passion for the provinces in Ireland is actually a major factor, IMHO, in the under performance of the national team but that gives an idea of how important they are to Irish rugby fans. However, we can get misty eyed in this 'divisive and over cynical world' when we see Irishmen from the four provinces of our island coming together regardless of tradition or even 'nationality', that is our 'four into one' and it doesn't involve too much abasement to Murdoch although the fecker has wangled his evil claws into the Autumn International coverage, the bastard.

If England, Wales and Scotland need the Lions to bring themselves together you carry on with it, I don't think Ireland needs the Lions for that purpose.
 

the plastic paddy

John Solomon (38)
Well done Stephen Archer didn't think he'd be this close to the Ireland set up at the start of the season, however I would say if Ross goes down early it won't be pretty. I know Archer has improved this season but still varies between average and awful.
I hope Mad Dog gets a good 25 minutes off the bench, he is a proper impact player with a true all out attack style. I think he could have a huge couple of years ahead of him now that he'll be Leinsters first choice out half.
I think we need to see more from POM in defence he tackle count (13 over 2 and a half games) isnt great for a 6, and we need to set SOB coming onto the ball at pace not taking it standing still.
Given the championship is over between the 50 and 60 minute marks I'd like to see Killer, Cronin, Hendo, Reddan, Mad Dog and Fitz come on. 3 forward who are dynamic and can all carry ball, a pair of half backs to speed up the game and Fitz who can create something out of nothing. However I fully expect to see all these changes around the 77 minute mark.
Hope Archer doesn't come on until Domingo has gone off but I am really proud of the effort he has put in over the last year, great to see hard work rewarded!! He is still very young for a Tight head but he is going to be an absolute beast of a player in a couple of years if his rate of progress continues as it has done this year!!

Agree about Madigan, he would have been on my bench right from the start of the tournament and starting once Sexton got injured. I wonder where we would be now if he had come on after half an hour against England? aaah!!!!!!

Hope Henderson gets at least half an hour, he is a monstrous young man and hopefully a natural successor to Paulie, God I hope Fatland doesn't decide to be a clever cntu and take him on the Lions.

Looking forward to this and more importantly POC playing against Leinster A on tuesday, GWAN PAULIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Wales Fan

Alfred Walker (16)
The point about insecurities and England was more Wales and Scotland relative to England and the small issue in Britain of an upcoming referendum on Scottish independence. If the English get their wish and, by some miracle, the scots vote to bite off the hand that feeds them, the next tour could be undertaken by the British, Irish and Scottish Lions. Starting to become too much of a mouthful I would say and would probably be better if the Irish bit wasn't there!?!

I don't disagree that the Lions was a fantastic institution in the amateur era, it has done well to make it as far as it has in the professional era but, just as Irish players are precluded from representing the barbarians, I believe the time will come when the decision will be made that Ireland do not have the player pool to justify our best playing for a team for which increasing numbers of Irish people have little more than a passing interest and irish rugby provincial and national is to a large extent 'owned' by the supporters.

Much of this sentiment I put down to the massive pride there is in Ireland for the provincial teams. Unlike among the British nations, I would suggest that a very high proportion of Irish rugby supporters would describe themselves as identifying commeasuredly with the rugby team of their native province; and many of us take huge pride in the performances of our fellow provinces. If you want to see that in action watch the Heineken cup quarter final in Twickenham between Saracens and Ulster when you will see many thousands of Munster, Leinster and Connacht fans 'standing up for the Ulster men'. For all that, I am sure our Heaslip avatared friend, JSRF10, would agree that interprovincial rugby matches are all about bragging rights and passion.

I believe this regional pride has supplanted the admirable, romantic notion of four into one that the Lions used to fulfill. Sure the provinces were there under Willie John and Moss Keane (and the political background was such that the coming together of the four was a fine thing) but they didn't have the Heineken cup. Munster fans did not have the chance to travel around Europe proud Munstermen and women even if, as is the case with the upcoming QF, many of them don't even have tickets!! Increasingly the comments that are heard about the Lions are made in a regional context: we follow the Lions but we cannot afford to risk such and such a player because they are so important to our Heineken cup campaign.

The passion for the provinces in Ireland is actually a major factor, IMHO, in the under performance of the national team but that gives an idea of how important they are to Irish rugby fans. However, we can get misty eyed in this 'divisive and over cynical world' when we see Irishmen from the four provinces of our island coming together regardless of tradition or even 'nationality', that is our 'four into one' and it doesn't involve too much abasement to Murdoch although the fecker has wangled his evil claws into the Autumn International coverage, the bastard.

If England, Wales and Scotland need the Lions to bring themselves together you carry on with it, I don't think Ireland needs the Lions for that purpose.


I see what your getting at but a potential Scotland independence has no bearing on the Lions.
It is a British Isles rugby side which will always represent England, Scotland, Ireland & Wales.

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the plastic paddy

John Solomon (38)
I see what your getting at but a potential Scotland independence has no bearing on the Lions.
It is a British Isles rugby side which will always represent England, Scotland, Ireland & Wales.

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To be honest the Scottish independence thing was a facecious comment!?!
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
2 doses of S15 this morning and now I'm pumped for today's 6Ns games. As usual on the day of the Ireland game my optimism will inexplicably rise as kick off gets closer.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
The Ireland Team to play France on Saturday 9th March 2013 in Aviva Stadium, Dublin in the RBS 6 Nations Championship, K.O. 5:00 pm, is:
(Player/club/province/international caps):
/,,,snip.../
Not all that familiar with the NH scene. How many games would the players actually play for their clubs such as Garryowen, Ballymena etc (as opposed Province)?
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
Not all that familiar with the NH scene. How many games would the players actually play for their clubs such as Garryowen, Ballymena etc (as opposed Province)?
None, unless it's to get some game time in returning from injury
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
What KevinO said. Season's run concurrently unlike say S15 and the Shute Shield, ITM Cup etc..
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
Got to Love the way Flower of Scotland is sung at Home, have a feeling that this one might be another upset.
 
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