Quade telling it how it is

[Richo]

A few people have mentioned this Richo, and I just want to throw this out there. I acknowledge the gap between Super Rugby and Test Rugby but take Will Genia, pre recontracting with the Reds this year and then after.

He was rubbish for the first half of the season - slow service, poor options, silly mistakes - then once the contracting business was sorted, he was back to his brilliant best. Such a stark difference and almost overnight.

The reason I mention this is just to demonstrate the impact that off-field distractions can have on a player. I'm not saying it did in QC (Quade Cooper)'s case, just throwing it out there. The game plan may not have made him kick poorly, drop balls and throw intercepts, but other factors may have had an influence. Does this hold water do you think?

For sure. No one lives in a vacuum. But Cooper needs to take responsibility for his own performances and actions too. It can't all be game plans and contract disputes and so on.

 

[louie]

This thread has become a toxic enviroment and i refuse to post in it. Can i get an interview on the rugby club?

 

[I like to watch]

A few people have mentioned this Richo, and I just want to throw this out there. I acknowledge the gap between Super Rugby and Test Rugby but take Will Genia, pre recontracting with the Reds this year and then after.

He was rubbish for the first half of the season - slow service, poor options, silly mistakes - then once the contracting business was sorted, he was back to his brilliant best. Such a stark difference and almost overnight.

The reason I mention this is just to demonstrate the impact that off-field distractions can have on a player. I'm not saying it did in QC (Quade Cooper)'s case, just throwing it out there. The game plan may not have made him kick poorly, drop balls and throw intercepts, but other factors may have had an influence. Does this hold water do you think?

But Genia didn't blame his coach for his poor form and refuse to play under him again.

 

[p.Tah]

not if his Reds contract is not ratified by the ARU. Personally, I think he should be let play for Qld. I suspect he does not really want to limit himself to just thst, however.

I don't think they can let him just play for QLD. If he has decent Super Rugby form supporters will be demanding for him to be picked for the Wallabies. It will just add to the angst. The only way for this to be resolved is for Quade to leave Australian rugby. However if he carves up the NRL mutterings about him leaving rugby will become quite loud.

 

[Richo]

The reality is, you don't see Aaron Rogers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, being selected as a teams playmaker due to their passing/attacking skills and then being told to implement a defensive offensive, based around the run and wearing the clock down.

SNIP

Cooper needs to learn that it will never be all out attacking/adventurous play, but what is being dished up by the Wallabies currently, has gone way to far the other way. Cooper is not the 10 the Wallabies should pick if they want to play this style, we have Barnes for that. The 2010 Wallabies had the attacking style and balance right, we just didn't have the consistancy to execute it week in week out.

Great post. I would add that those attacking, pass-oriented QBs are also necessarily risk averse. They don't just go to the air, they have to consistently make the right decisions. Otherwise they turn the ball over too much, which is a killer.

Quade has the skills, but not always the judgment, especially at Test level where the margins of error are so much tighter. This might be one of the reasons Deans has moved away from that style of game. Personally, I think the focus should have been on improving Cooper's judgment rather than eliminating risk opportunities.

 

[Loki74]

I don't think they can let him just play for QLD. If he has decent Super Rugby form supporters will be demanding for him to be picked for the Wallabies. It will just add to the angst. The only way for this to be resolved is for Quade to leave Australian rugby. However if he carves up the NRL mutterings about him leaving rugby will become quite loud.

Not sure if this is true, but an article I saw earlier today said he cannot play for Queensland without the ARU component.

 

[fatprop]

The thing I struggled with in the interview was the lack of self-awareness

There was no comment that he, Cooper, had to improve his effort/game, no personal responsibility at all.

It was all about reasons/excuses why he wasn't succeeding and therefore the team isn't winning.

 

[TSR]

However if he carves up the NRL mutterings about him leaving rugby will become quite loud.

I have now read twice though that the Roosters have no interest in signing him. Non of the other teams have expressed an interest as far as I am aware (and, of course, he won't be able to play with Sonny Bill).

That corner Quade is putting himself in might be getting smaller by the day.

 

[Braveheart81]

I have now read twice though that the Roosters have no interest in signing him. Non of the other teams have expressed an interest as far as I am aware (and, of course, he won't be able to play with Sonny Bill).

That corner Quade is putting himself in might be getting smaller by the day.

If that's a segue to the start of his boxing career, well played.

 

[Lee Enfield]

There's some weight to this argument, but I don't know that Quade has the runs on the board to make this argument. He was wonderful for the Reds in 2011 and had some great games for the Wallabies in 2010, although I would argue that Beale's sublime form was as much a factor in the team's attacking play then. But Quade has not really kicked on since then. Flashes of brilliance, but much longer spells of mediocrity. This may, in part, be a result of the game plan, but game plans don't make plays kick poorly, drop balls, and throw interceptions. So I'd be more sympathetic to Quade wanting the team built around and playing his style if he'd had some more recent dividends.


That is the problem with Quades comments, his fire maybe accurate, but the position form which he is firing ain't the best. The Reds seem to have been able to build a team and a style of play around him and Genia and it is working for them all. His knee injury certainly hasn't helped his cause, so next year will be important for him.

Deans on the other hand seems to be coming up with a game plan that doesn't take into account the strengths and weaknesses of the play maker or indeed most of the team. He seems to have a one plan fits all approach for the team and the 10, and that plan seems to revolve around McCabe.

The thing I find perplexing with the Wallabies isn't just Cooper specific. Why is it players, who had stella S15 seasons, showed good execution and basic skills in the S15 season, suddenly lose their mojo when they play for the Wallabies.
I also don't understand why we have a coach who would rather pick players out of position be it for injury cover or not, then pick players who had outstanding S15 seasons in those positions. Shipperley should have been on the wing not AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and that goes right back to the Welsh series. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) maybe a better player than Shipperley, but he isn't a better winger.

I honestly think it is Deans who is holding back the development of the Wallabies and the players at International level. There are too many players who range from Good to Excellent at S15 level who play average at test level, for it to be a stepping up to the next level issue. Too many players who are average at S15 Level are being selected for the Wallabies.

To me, the biggest problem for the Wallabies is Deans selecting players out of position, instead of picking the best players in their positions. By selecting players out of position, too much time for the Wallabies is spent on players learning a different position when they should be working on building combinations and familiarity. By selecting players out of position, those guys are having to devote too much brain space to do the postional things that come natural to the guys who play those positions week in week out.

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

If Cooper was going off to rugby league, would he be going through all of this?

I hope not. It seems he is passionate about the Wallabies. If he gets his way I'd hope he stays. But if he raves on about all these changes, only to sign for the Broncos or something, that would be very disappointing.

 

[Scoey]

But Genia didn't blame his coach for his poor form and refuse to play under him again.

Semantics. Neither has Quade in so many words. Quade actually said that he would be happy to play under Deans if the "environment" or whatever he was complaining about improved. I think your point you were trying to make was that Genia didn't make any excuses - he took ownership of the problem. And I agree.

We digress but. I was simply making the point that what he is complaining about could be part of the reason he's not playing well. Wasn't making a call whether it was justified, or right or wrong etc.

 

[I like to watch]

If Cooper was going off to rugby league, would he be going through all of this?

I hope not. It seems he is passionate about the Wallabies. If he gets his way I'd hope he stays. But if he raves on about all these changes, only to sign for the Broncos or something, that would be very disappointing.

Remember who his mgr is. go back to SBW and how they dealt with it.
They could have gone to the Dogs,and tell them he has a great opportunity in Europe, and guarantee the Dogs last rights if and when he returns.But Nasser chose the dramatic f*** you way instead.
Looks like this is going down the same route.

 

[mudskipper]

When McKenzie walked into the dreesing room and told his player just to go out their and enjoy playing rugby and take risks he had nothing to loose as the Reds were already rock bottom... However this freestyle play worked for Cooper at the tiem its doesnt work at test level, smarter rugby is required and Wallabies arent in the same position as the Reds in back then...

 

[scaraby]

Funny how QC (Quade Cooper) gets bagged for questioning set up, the injuries,selections,coaching and most importantly why they were treated like they lost when they beat a good Argentinian side(his suggested trigger on rugby club which if true reeks of arrogance and no respect for the opposition and v poor coaching)
We all get praised on here for questioning set up,injuries,selections,coaching etc.????
Most of the criticism here is levelled at the way he went about it.Was he forced into a corner?..did he have a bad day and bag his workplace?(i did that this morning btw).
The rest of the criticism is once again about the fact that Quaide is arrogant and self interested and only ever comes about from Wallaby supporters when we lose or from everyone else when we win. We've now moved on to bag his manager and his managers clients..except Sonny Bill who is now the golden child. There is no doubt he has been very brave about his stance in my mind even if i dont neccessarily agree with it.
If we hadnt had about 10 top line players injured this season would any of this have come out? Would we be bitching about every game..win or lose? I can remember the ABs going through this exact process not so long ago which caused a few players to head to France. They fixed whatever was busted in their system and low and behold.
I think we have to realise some time that there is a better team out there at the moment and they are the ONLY team in the world that consistantly beat us.
Pick the best 15 we can ,play a consistent style of rugby that can be passed down through super 15 and club, Promote the form players but give the champs who have earned the title a second chance rather than kicking them in the teeth.I
f we win shake hands and sing the song,if we lose shake hands and have a beer.
Quaide -take your stance son and offer an alternative ,it may cost you but you'll be at peace.
Supporters- we have major injury issues to the best players in the team ,lets give these kids a chance agst the Boks and Argies (note we wont be favourites.)
To the ARU-your abilty to open your mouths and crow and your abilty to not open your mouths when you should is unbelievable.
How would anyone know what the system is let alone if its broken.

Go the Wallabies f... the system play rugby!!!!

 

[Torn Hammy]

that's great for Khoder to think that, but he isn't the one being killed. His players are the ones copping the heat.
- Mundine is universally disliked in Oz and outraged a nation with his 9/11 comments
- SBW alienated an entire code when he walked out on the Dogs
- Now Quade has basically shot himself in the foot

So Khoder instils these beliefs in others, tells them to rage against the machine whilst he sits back, rarely talks to the media and collects the money from his minions' contracts. He is not practicing what he preaches.

Your hyperbole indicates your prejudices.

Mundine is universally admired by Indigenous Australians. Millions of Muslims support his views on 9/11. And the Bulldogs (and all other NRL clubs) wanted SBW to play for them next season.

How do you feel about David Pocock given that same sex marriage was voted out by a margin of two to one last week.

These guys are young, media novices and easy targets for those who disagree with them. The real outrage is that the head of the organisation, the highest paid person at ARU, wasn't knocking on QC (Quade Cooper)'s front door an hour after his first tweet. According to another thread, he was attending to the machinations of another job he has. That is the outrage.

 

[mudskipper]

Quade is an employee... if he wants to be in a dog and pony show he can join the circus...

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Quade is an employee. if he wants to be in a dog and pony show he can join the circus.

Why join one - create your own!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

This thread has become a toxic enviroment and i refuse to post in it. Can i get an interview on the rugby club?

Tweet first - make it good

 

[Braveheart81]

To be fair to Quade, there's an increasingly likely chance he'll be fighting on the undercard of Khoder Nasser's next dog and pony show, I mean Mundine's next fight.