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Paddy O'Brien apologises just not to Australia

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Taken from http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/3073661/All-Blacks-get-Paddy-O-Brien-referee-apology

Aussie whistle blower Stu Dickinson got it badly wrong when he repeatedly penalised the All Blacks in their disputed match against Italy on Saturday (Sunday NZT), referees' boss Paddy O'Brien has admitted.

Coach Graham Henry asked for clarity and has been given that, along with a public apology, from IRB referees' boss Paddy O'Brien, who has admitted referee Dickinson made a series of mistakes during the Milan match, which ended in a 20-6 win for the All Blacks.

In what is a major off-field victory for the All Blacks, Kiwi O'Brien travelled to the New Zealand team's London hotel today to essentially tell Henry and his coaches "you were right".

O'Brien told Stuff.co.nz, in an exclusive interview prior to his meeting with Henry and scrum expert Mike Cron, that Dickinson should not have taken such drastic action against the All Blacks at scrum time in the test at the San Siro.

In a rare display of transparency, O'Brien has conceded that Dickinson's performance was sub-standard, and that he has been told so in no uncertain terms.

O'Brien said a review of match footage clearly indicated the Italian tighthead prop (Martin Castrogiavanni and later Salvatore Perugini) was "boring in" on the All Black loosehead and that Dickinson's repeated penalising of the New Zealanders was "completely wrong".

"The best example I can use is in the last 10 minutes there were eight scrums of which seven the tighthead for Italy is purely illegal," said the Invercargill-based O'Brien.

"Up here they're crying that it should have been a penalty try. It should have been a penalty first scrum to the All Blacks."

O'Brien's words will at least be reassuring for the New Zealanders ahead of Saturday's test against England.

After the match Henry said the area needed "clarity" and on their arrival in London, assistant coach Steve Hansen said referees were "guessing" on their decisions at the set piece.

Italy coach Nick Mallett complained that the All Blacks got off lightly for their scrum infringements, even though Neemia Tialata was sinbinned late in the match from one of the penalties.

But O'Brien has made it clear that Henry was right and Mallett wrong when it came to their reading of events at the San Siro.

"We've got to be fair to teams," O'Brien said. "If the referee is not accurate we've got to put our hand up. We need to educate that referee and get him better, because that scrummaging on Saturday was not up to international standard."

O'Brien said Dickinson had been given a DVD that makes it clear where he went wrong and a strong message he needs to lift his game. He has been advised to undertake "scrum coaching" and also told his performance will be taken into account for future appointments.

The IRB's referees' boss said Dickinson's rulings had particularly impacted on young All Black loosehead Wyatt Crockett, who complained during and after the match about the Italian infringments.

"You've got a young guy trying to launch his test career and get things right and the referee is inaccurate. Then it's our problem," said O'Brien. "We've got to deal with the ref, which we will, just like Graham deals with a player who is not playing well."

All Blacks assistant coach Wayne Smith said today the team was going about its front-row work "as usual" though he had noted the "publicity" around the scrummaging.

"We're pretty confident in our front row," said Smith. "They had a torrid time at the weekend, and if you look at the tape some of it was difficult to play against. It was a bit dangerous for our loosehead prop a couple of times, but they got away with it."

The All Blacks will introduce an entirely new front row to meet England this weekend, with Owen Franks set to step in for Tialata as tighthead alongside regular frontliners Tony Woodcock and Andrew Hore.
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Tialata has started the first three tests of the tour, and will be given a chance to freshen up a little ahead of the massive contest against France next week.


WHY DIDN'T WE GET ONE FOR CRAIG JOUBERT AND AL BAXTER! I think Paddy is against us.
 

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Chilla Wilson (44)
This is un-fricking-believable. Bad move by Paddy. If he is going to start this sort of thing he needs to do it with non-NZ teams to start with to avoid perceptions of favouratism.
 
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chief

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I completely agree. Absoloute idiot saying this. O'Neil should start publicly abusing referees and maybe we'll get somewhere.
 
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Spook

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I thought this was a piss take at first :eek:

Baxter is also owed an apology for Woodcock's boring.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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We should take this report with a grain of salt: it can be traced back to one New Zealand source, stuff.co.nz Until I see it reported in other, more verifiable, media we should treat it as a wind-up.
 

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Michael Lynagh (62)
The whole article is a crock of shit.

Would Paddy O'Brien really say "Up here they're crying that it should have been a penalty try"? Or how about this, which doesn't make sense: "there were eight scrums of which seven the tighthead for Italy is purely illegal", and this: "We've got to deal with the ref, which we will, just like Graham deals with a player who is not playing well."? All are completely out of character for Paddy.

Secondly, refererees are NEVER publicly censured like that.
 
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I agree the language is inappropriate. Lot of people have bought it though. It's in the NZ herald as well though.
 

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Michael Lynagh (62)
Spook - yes. On TSF, there's a thread full of NZers admitting Crockett was outscrummed. Now they're all in there complaining how Dickenson screwed them at scrum time.

By the way, if it's true, it's a complete and utter farce and insane favourtism to NZ. Where was then public censure of White when he cost us the HK Bled last year? Whistling our scrum off the park when it was dominant?
 

MrTimms

Ken Catchpole (46)
On Twitter, Nemia Tialata (@neyza3) said:
meeting with the head of all referee's paddy o'brian... lets see what he has to say about the game in the weekend... watch this space!
Then, an hour and a half later:
hahaha just what i thought.... i let the media explain how paddy o'brian saw the game and whats happening to mr dickenson :)
then, four or so hours later:
there it is-------->IRB referees' boss Paddy O'Brien apologises to All Blacks over scrum errors http://bit.ly/1oRyC1

Obviously something has been said, no doubt the media are making it sound better/more controversial, but something has definitely been said.
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Scarfman; you'd hope so.

I've had it with TSF, BTW. So many great people who know so much about rugby outweighed by the one-eyed idiots that run it (Bart aside). Let's see if Kirwan bans me.
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Hmmm, pretty much destroys your faith in the IRB doesn't it?

Too pissed off now after watching White, Brycie etc get away with shit performances but NZ struggle at scrum time and the IRB goes and apologies that the Eyeties were better.

Pretty sickening stuff.
 
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It can't be true....surely. If it is, POB's no longer the IRB Head Ref.
 

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Ted Fahey (11)
Ash said:
I've had it with TSF, BTW. So many great people who know so much about rugby outweighed by the one-eyed idiots that run it (Bart aside). Let's see if Kirwan bans me.

Thats why I've started reading this site recently. Had it with the TSF especially that Kirwan bloke, very biased and very little knowledge (especially of scrummaging).

As a Kiwi I find the whinging that has come out of the coaching staff this year unbearable. Summed up perfectly by Chris Rattue this morning:

"The modus operandi for these All Blacks is to blame everyone else in the world for turning the game into a farce if things don't go their way.

Wales are whingers when Dan Carter nearly takes a bloke's head off, South Africa don't run the ball enough and Italy scrum illegally."

Surprised that Paddy has seemingly backed down to Henry so easily. Particularly when the ABs by and large have been getting the rub of the green with the refs. Very dangerous precedent to set and one that will surely dislillusion other countries.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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thatguy said:
As a Kiwi...

Welcome tg, we'll take anyone on TYS. You've got to do an awful lot wrong to get banned here, critical remarks about Aussies always gratefully received.

See Moses about getting an appropriate avatar.
 

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Trevor Allan (34)
besides being pissed off about all this, i feel bad for dicko too. even if he did get some calls wrong (i don't know, didn't watch the game) he doesn't deserve to get publicly called out like some little prat. he's a professional too.

seems a little hasty with him as well since i don't recall a lot of outrage with him prior to this (what's he even been reffing lately?). on the other hand, i can think of some repeat offenders lately that could use a course or two in regulations of the game....
 
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