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Chris McKivat (8)
Does that mean you will change to CROUCH-TOUCH-PAUSE-EXPLODE!
NSW U16 Trial Games and Selections 2011
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Does that mean you will change to CROUCH-TOUCH-PAUSE-EXPLODE!
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Bill McLean (32)
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MOTH,
I accept that Barkell officially has nothing to do with the 16's, however (and I didn't say this clearly enough in my earlier post, so please accept my apologies) but the message I was trying to convey was that it is my understanding that Barkell has input and/or a say into Trinity's rugby program as a whole (if not CAS'). Though I cannot reveal my source, I have it on good authority that prior to Regional's (possibly even Schools) Barkell was already favouring the selection of certain Trinity players for certain positions in the SJRU team!
As per my previous statements, how could any coach exclude the likes of Winterstein, Taiki, Taufa and company? They were clearly among the best players at Regional and as a consequence I would like someone to explain to me how the same were not selected! As it stands certain other players were selected, and the same are coincidentally from CAS schools. Essentially CAS faltered at School's, and those of its players who had a second chance at Regional (and there were many), did not out-perform the players that I have nominated as worthy of selection in the SJRU team!
Ultimately all questions will be answered at the National Championship, however the cost is already being borne by grass roots rugby, a cost it can ill afford! Let me explain!
After Regional my associates (as per the norm) spoke with the lads they look after to gauge that respective boy's self evaluation of their perform. This interaction often leads to discussions about other players and their respective positions. As most in this site are probably aware most of the top players are now generally good mates and are in constant communication with each other via social media outlets such as 'Face Book'.
Generally speaking 16 years of age is when most lads of dual code representative ability make a decision to either stay with rugby or go to league. Given that rugby is always in a constant battle with league for the hearts and minds of such players, why does rugby always seem to disenfranchise these talented players whereby the same see no alternative but to go to league for representative recognition.
As it stands it I have it on good authority that those players mentioned above (that were unjustly ignored by SJRU selectors) will now move to league because they are tired of the politics within rugby (their quotes not mine)! Let's take young Winterstein as a good example. He has been on the scene for a few years now can play well in both codes, but prefers rugby so I am led to believe! According to a few commentators within western Sydney junior league he was unfortunate not to make the final cut for the Penrith HMC team this year. Nevertheless he was picked up by the Western Sydney Academy of Sport HMC team and had a good season!
For those that have seen Wintersein play he is fast, elusive and most importantly, he is tenacious in defence! He is afraid of no-one and often puts his 'BODY ON THE LINE' to make the those difficult tackles on much larger opponents. He did this against Morgan at Regional and as most know the former is not an easy player to bring down! Winterstein made it look easy and smashed him in a copy-book tackle! Better still, look at some of the tries he scored at Regional!
Well I have been informed that the lad will now pull the plug on rugby and concentrate on league in the future, and justifiably so! At least he has recognition there and his performances will always be noted. But if he does gon all I can say is 'what a loss'! We are already seeing a player drain in the ranks of junior rugby and it does not have to be the case! Maybe Barkell didn't think he was good enough, or he had valid reason for not selecting Winterstein, if so why couldn't the same be communicated to the boys so that he may prevail with rugby and take on board such comments in order to have another go at next year's State Championship! League does this for its fringe players that just miss out on representative honours! Admittedly they too don't always get it right, but generally speaking they at least communicate the reasons!
Regards,
Newbie.
MOTH,
I accept that Barkell officially has nothing to do with the 16's, however (and I didn't say this clearly enough in my earlier post, so please accept my apologies) but the message I was trying to convey was that it is my understanding that Barkell has input and/or a say into Trinity's rugby program as a whole (if not CAS'). Though I cannot reveal my source, I have it on good authority that prior to Regional's (possibly even Schools) Barkell was already favouring the selection of certain Trinity players for certain positions in the SJRU team!
As per my previous statements, how could any coach exclude the likes of Winterstein, Taiki, Taufa and company? They were clearly among the best players at Regional and as a consequence I would like someone to explain to me how the same were not selected! As it stands certain other players were selected, and the same are coincidentally from CAS schools. Essentially CAS faltered at School's, and those of its players who had a second chance at Regional (and there were many), did not out-perform the players that I have nominated as worthy of selection in the SJRU team!
Ultimately all questions will be answered at the National Championship, however the cost is already being borne by grass roots rugby, a cost it can ill afford! Let me explain!
After Regional my associates (as per the norm) spoke with the lads they look after to gauge that respective boy's self evaluation of their perform. This interaction often leads to discussions about other players and their respective positions. As most in this site are probably aware most of the top players are now generally good mates and are in constant communication with each other via social media outlets such as 'Face Book'.
Generally speaking 16 years of age is when most lads of dual code representative ability make a decision to either stay with rugby or go to league. Given that rugby is always in a constant battle with league for the hearts and minds of such players, why does rugby always seem to disenfranchise these talented players whereby the same see no alternative but to go to league for representative recognition.
As it stands it I have it on good authority that those players mentioned above (that were unjustly ignored by SJRU selectors) will now move to league because they are tired of the politics within rugby (their quotes not mine)! Let's take young Winterstein as a good example. He has been on the scene for a few years now can play well in both codes, but prefers rugby so I am led to believe! According to a few commentators within western Sydney junior league he was unfortunate not to make the final cut for the Penrith HMC team this year. Nevertheless he was picked up by the Western Sydney Academy of Sport HMC team and had a good season!
For those that have seen Wintersein play he is fast, elusive and most importantly, he is tenacious in defence! He is afraid of no-one and often puts his 'BODY ON THE LINE' to make the those difficult tackles on much larger opponents. He did this against Morgan at Regional and as most know the former is not an easy player to bring down! Winterstein made it look easy and smashed him in a copy-book tackle! Better still, look at some of the tries he scored at Regional!
Well I have been informed that the lad will now pull the plug on rugby and concentrate on league in the future, and justifiably so! At least he has recognition there and his performances will always be noted. But if he does gon all I can say is 'what a loss'! We are already seeing a player drain in the ranks of junior rugby and it does not have to be the case! Maybe Barkell didn't think he was good enough, or he had valid reason for not selecting Winterstein, if so why couldn't the same be communicated to the boys so that he may prevail with rugby and take on board such comments in order to have another go at next year's State Championship! League does this for its fringe players that just miss out on representative honours! Admittedly they too don't always get it right, but generally speaking they at least communicate the reasons!
Regards,
Newbie.
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Who was the oldest Trevor or John? I'm sure John was a few years younger then me.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
He is an outstanding young talent and certainly deserved selection in the SJRU U16 team - the thing I really liked about him at the Regionals was his consistency as he was a real stand out in both attack and particularly in defence in all of his games. I didn't see him at the School Champs - did he not trial, was he unavailable or did he miss out there too?
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I dare you
WTF, this site started off as "No Schools in U16s State Titles" and most of the posts were about how to expand the player base for this age group and the perceived issues that hindered this.
I'm put up a proposal to take the bias out of the selection process for players and how to select the best coach. So what happened after that, the "GPS is the greatest" bloggers - "DD & Rara" started a personally abusive attack on this magpie. So, I asked for some intellectual comments - both positive and negative. Only "Dermo & I like to Watch" offered any, what I perceive to be, constructive comments/ideas.
Even his master, the great Lord Newbie backed off quicker then an Italian tank.
Now some Cyber Overlord (yes, you Lee Grant - who from other posts is GPS through & through) is telling the populace what we can & can't post. No, thank you, I will continue to speak out in the hope that the ARU is listening & until changes are made the 'Wallabies" will never gain the ability to consistently compete with the "All Blacks" and "Springbok" due to the shallow pool of players from the current system.
I’ll take umbrage to this: as a late great French magpie said; “whilst I might not agree with what you squawk, I will died defending your right to squawk it.”
Therefore, I dare you to zapp me for the masses of magpies will rise up around the cyber universe and overthrow such totalitarian control. Lee, it will be a "let them eat bird seed" moment for you.:angryfire:
WTF, this site started off as "No Schools in U16s State Titles" and most of the posts were about how to expand the player base for this age group and the perceived issues that hindered this.
I'm put up a proposal to take the bias out of the selection process for players and how to select the best coach. So what happened after that, the "GPS is the greatest" bloggers - "DD & Rara" started a personally abusive attack on this magpie. So, I asked for some intellectual comments - both positive and negative. Only "Dermo & I like to Watch" offered any, what I perceive to be, constructive comments/ideas.
Even his master, the great Lord Newbie backed off quicker then an Italian tank.
Now some Cyber Overlord (yes, you Lee Grant - who from other posts is GPS through & through) is telling the populace what we can & can't post. No, thank you, I will continue to speak out in the hope that the ARU is listening & until changes are made the 'Wallabies" will never gain the ability to consistently compete with the "All Blacks" and "Springbok" due to the shallow pool of players from the current system.
I’ll take umbrage to this: as a late great French magpie said; “whilst I might not agree with what you squawk, I will died defending your right to squawk it.”
Therefore, I dare you to zapp me for the masses of magpies will rise up around the cyber universe and overthrow such totalitarian control. Lee, it will be a "let them eat bird seed" moment for you.:angryfire:
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Allen Oxlade (6)
Newbie I totally agree with ur comments about Trent. he's an awesome player to watch all right.
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I am a bit surprised that my thoughts from earlier have not attracted any comment. Perhaps it is not controversial enough. Or maybe it’s to close to the truth.
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Chris McKivat (8)
Mags,Rara, come on lads you are both better than this your past postings prove it. Grab some nails and a hammer build a bridge and get over yourselves.
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I don't believe you will ever get the Catholic School System to walk way from their rugby league sport comps; you need to think lateral if union wants to increase its rep player base.
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Bob Loudon (25)
Scored a beer from DD! Righteous!
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Just reading this Newbes you couldnt be anymore on the money... my son too is on facebook with these fellas and i can confirm the loss to league. I spoke to the Baa Baa coach Richardson and suggested we run with a Barbarian team with whats left....
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Allen Oxlade (6)
I have said previously to show transparency in the system players need to be able to ask and be told why they weren't selected and what areas of their game need to be developed. What happened to Cale Angeloni? Did he get injured or is another casualty of the selection process?
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Alex Ross (28)
Newbie - you are incorrect and infalmatory comments like this could even be considered libelous - you as a supposed man on the law should recognise this, or do you hide behind your online annonimity to just tip on people who don't kowtow to you or share your opinion.
I've just trawled the Trinity web page - so for the record:
John Allen (Co-coach 1st XV) Sportsmaster
Brad Barr (coach of 4th XV) master in charge of Rugby
Lachlan White (coach 16A XV) director of Rugby Coaching
Peter Gibson - (Co-coach 1st XV) - co coach NSW Schools II
Asked a boy i know who plays in the Trinity 16As (and a regular source of mine for things relating to that school) -
Q - "Who's Mr Barkell?"
A - "No idea - oh, hang on, he coaches the 15As and the prep school!"
It was also pointed out to me that in CAS competition 13s, 16s & Opens will play at the home school, whilst 14s & 15s play at the away school.
Bugger all opportunity then for the Barkell to even see ANY CAS U16 players in action, unless they are playing up in 1sts - but then I understand from other comments in this thread that he would have to nick off and fullfill his obligations to Norths Colts, so he doesn't even get to watch them there.
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I can confirm that Angeloni is enroute to the Gold Coast with his club team - they have a small tour planned for these hoildays.. He will play fully fit !
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