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NSW AAGPS 2022

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Barker is now playing Joeys in the 1st XV

St Augustine's 1st XV will now be playing Joeys 2nds.
Barker 1st XV is the ONLY team playing Joeys this week.

Those who wish to change their TIP from Joeys to Barker, please MESSAGE ME ASAP.
 
Rugby Survivor

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Ted Fahey (11)
Can anyone shed some light on why the only Barker team that Joeys is playing this week is their firsts?
Where is the rest of the school teams playing?
 
Homer

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Bill Watson (15)
Rugby Survivor said:
Can anyone shed some light on why the only Barker team that Joeys is playing this week is their firsts?
Where is the rest of the school teams playing?
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I would say it is because there would be cricket scores unfortunately. Oakhill beat Baker across the board and Barker didn't score a point in about 9 games, you can actually count their wins in the last two weeks on one hand. SO Barker As would probably be against Joeys Cs at best. Outside of the 1sts Barker just aren't competitive at all so far.

I am starting to think there should be a club championship style system (points system across the grades down to the Ds in each age group) to produce a champion school at the end of each season. The current system places too much emphasis on one team.
This would promote depth and complete programs over funding one team at the top. That or Junior, Middle and Senior school championships like in swimming and Athletics.
 
Eyes and Ears

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Bob Davidson (42)
Rugby Survivor said:
Can anyone shed some light on why the only Barker team that Joeys is playing this week is their firsts?
Where is the rest of the school teams playing?
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I also think it is a convenient outcome as Barker were to play Kinross and Joeys were to play Augustines. These looked like mismatches.
 
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ap1 said:
Hi all - I know not school rugby related, but seems some good rugby brains here, so thought I would ask (admin - pls delete if not appropriate)...

My older son is still playing club rugby (16s) as well as school. Not a high grade, but it is a small club with just a few teams and he still enjoys it.

We are increasingly seeing other teams wanting / needing to play uncontested scrums each week. Our team coach was a primary school teacher who was very encouraging of getting the big, slow, non sporty kids to come down and try rugby at the age of 10-12, even though in many cases these boys had tried other sports and had given up on them as a result of being fairly unathletic and not wanted. As a result of his encouragement, we have kept many of these boys interested in rugby and have 4-5 front rowers (in a squad of 20 kids). They aren't superstars destroying opposition, but put together make up a good solid scrum.

I get the safety aspect of things, but as soon as uncontested scrums get called, then opposition teams end up playing 4-5 backrowers, our backs get no space as the opposition backrow don't have to commit to the scrum fully and are free to break and fly at our 10 & 12. Some teams go every further and take the p@ss and put about 10 backs on the field. We then inevitably can't match their speed and they simply run us off our legs.

Surely there has to be some benefit to teams who can keep the rugby ethos of 'all shapes and sizes'? Ideas I have thought might work if you have to call for uncontested scrums:

- Defending backline has to move back an extra 10m off the scrum
- You have to take off your breakaways (and play with 13 players) vs our 15
- Free kick to us in place of a scrum if they knock on

Any thoughts?
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This is an absolute bug bear of mine. I coach a junior team in the Brisbane competition, we are a division 1 club however slightly younger age group than yours. Most our kids (and kids from our opposing teams) play in the 'A" teams at Brisbane GPS or AIC schools and they all attend the C2K training program at Ballymore which is position specific training with former Wallaby and Qld players. We have a very dominant scrum ( we practice and practice and practice some more on our scrum) Yet every single week teams will either go uncontested prior to the game - It's a safety concern they say or we will push them off their own ball and then they call uncontested the next scrum. We know these kids can scrum as they are doing it at school on a Saturday, they are scrumming in rep team trials and they scrum when playing in rep teams. So the conclusion is that teams will convert to uncontested as a tactic to take away the advantage of a strong scrummaging side. Unfortunately the referees are in a no win situation if they dont go to uncontested after the request and an injury occurs they are up the creek without a paddle. The only solution in my eyes is that in a competition age game i.e a division 1 game from u12 - u16 if a team chooses to go uncontested they must drop a player. I believe that is the only way to get the scrum back to being a major part of our game.
 
Eyes and Ears

Eyes and Ears

Bob Davidson (42)
Rugby Survivor said:
Can anyone shed some light on why the only Barker team that Joeys is playing this week is their firsts?
Where is the rest of the school teams playing?
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Officially this week is:

Oakhill v Knox
Waverley v Shore
Joeys v Augustines, St Gregs & Sydney High (with Barker now in the 1sts)
Stannies v Scots
Riverview v Kings
Trinity v Pius
Cranbrook v St Pats
Aloysius v Grammar
Barker v Kinross
Newington (bye, cadet camp)
 
AroundTheAnkles

AroundTheAnkles

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Rugby Survivor said:
Can anyone shed some light on why the only Barker team that Joeys is playing this week is their firsts?
Where is the rest of the school teams playing?
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I am told they are playing Kinross in all other grades. They didn't play Joeys in A grade games last year either, we played Oakhill that day instead. Barker are pretty weak until they get to opens and then suddenly something changes.
 
AroundTheAnkles

AroundTheAnkles

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Homer said:
I would say it is because there would be cricket scores unfortunately. Oakhill beat Baker across the board and Barker didn't score a point in about 9 games, you can actually count their wins in the last two weeks on one hand. SO Barker As would probably be against Joeys Cs at best. Outside of the 1sts Barker just aren't competitive at all so far.

I am starting to think there should be a club championship style system (points system across the grades down to the Ds in each age group) to produce a champion school at the end of each season. The current system places too much emphasis on one team.
This would promote depth and complete programs over funding one team at the top. That or Junior, Middle and Senior school championships like in swimming and Athletics.
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Joeys would win that every year, that is not even a bold statement.
 
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