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Melbourne Rebels 2024

Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
Remember what the Administrator found. The Rebels had been likely trading insolvent since 2018, and probably much earlier.

They were operating only because the directors were injecting their own capital - largely Paul Doherty, and they stopped paying the ATO (in 2021)

The Rebels accounts were.provided to RA in Dec 2021. They incurred at least $12m more debt after that point.

The Rebels board was briefed on RA's private equity plans only in December 2022, well after they had insurmountable debts.

RA's PE plans were announced in Aug 2023, and then shelved in Nov 2023 (debt facility taken on instead).

------+++

For me it's pretty clear the board was relying on Doherty to operate, and betting on PE money to clean up the mess.

Both fell through.
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
So after 13 years of membership on this forum, 4000+ posts, game previews and reviews etc. I am closing my screen and walking away from following all things Aus rugby related.

Have had enough of some of the Bull shit around the Rebels departure and the know all's from the North.

Not all but enough to piss me off enough to just concentrate on NH rugby.

Fair well GAGR, F#ck off RA and most importantly

Cmon Munster and Ireland.

(Nearly forgot, WHOS HOUSE)
 

dru

David Wilson (68)
So after 13 years of membership on this forum, 4000+ posts, game previews and reviews etc. I am closing my screen and walking away from following all things Aus rugby related.

Have had enough of some of the Bull shit around the Rebels departure and the know all's from the North.

Not all but enough to piss me off enough to just concentrate on NH rugby.

Fair well GAGR, F#ck off RA and most importantly

Cmon Munster and Ireland.

(Nearly forgot, WHOS HOUSE)

You're probably not going to see this, but genuinely all the best, KevinO.
 

Tazzmania

Bob Loudon (25)
Here we go again:

Full statement from Directors of Melbourne Rebels Rugby Union Pty Ltd: issued today 09/10/2024

Melbourne Rebels Rugby Union Pty Ltd (‘Melbourne Rebels’) today issued proceedings in the Federal Court of Australia against Rugby Australia.

The Melbourne Rebels are seeking significant damages and indemnities from Rugby Australia along with a declaration that they are entitled to resume control of the Rebels so the team can continue to play in the Super Rugby Competition.

The Rebels are a member of Rugby Australia and had a legal expectation that they would not only be treated fairly but that they would be treated equally to other members. Amongst other things, the Rebels will assert that Rugby Australia has breached various section of the Corporations Act, has unlawfully oppressed the Rebels and is obliged to indemnify the Rebels for liabilities to the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) (as well as other broader employment liabilities) incurred when Rebels players were playing for Rugby Australia teams.

The Rebels are seeking an urgent order granting the Rebels the right to inspect the Rugby Australia books, including accounting and loan records, to determine whether (and the extent to which) there has been fiduciary and governance failures by Rugby Australia.

The Constitution requires that the assets of Rugby Australia be applied for the benefit of all members. The Rebels believe that this has not been the case and that there has been unacceptable and unauthorised spending (perhaps best exemplified by the unauthorised and excessive spending at last year’s Rugby World Cup and the subsequent suppression of the Rugby World Cup independent report).
We want an independent person to decide whether the conduct of Rugby Australia meets the standards required by law – and that will now be a Federal Court Judge.

Counsel for the Melbourne Rebels includes Philip Crutchfield KC, Harry Forrester, tax specialist Gareth Redenbach and Alexander Di Stefano.

The Melbourne Rebels Directors, all unpaid volunteers, will be providing the court extensive documentation demonstrating that Rugby Australia was aware of the financial situation of the Rebels at all times.

There is also extensive evidence of Rugby Australia executives and Directors continuing to reassure the Rebels (and other clubs) that a large private equity deal was imminent and would provide a financial lifeline to Rugby in Australia.

Rugby Australia did secure an $80m loan facility but they chose only to provide funding, indemnities or other financial support to the NSW Waratahs and subsequently the ACT Brumbies in preference to the Melbourne Rebels.

The Rugby Australia Board and executives don’t seem to understand that Rugby Australia is a union of members. The Rugby Australia Board has a legal obligation to act in the interest of all members, they do not have the ability (or legal right) to pick and choose the Clubs and/or States they wish to survive and those that they wish to destroy.

There is no trust and confidence in the board and management of Rugby Australia. Their conduct needs to be both exposed and explained.

RA have had many months to explain their actions and have failed to do so. The Rebels Directors believe that the simple reason for this is that there is no defence to their conduct.

We are fighting to not only save the professional men’s and women’s Rugby teams, but to maintain the successful pathways from grassroots junior Rugby in Victoria through to the elite level. We are grateful for the incredible support we have received from the Victorian Government who also understand the importance of a professional team to the boys and girls in Victoria. Over two decades the Victorian government has provided significant funding to Rugby Australia to facilitate the development – not only of rugby in Victoria but of the broader national game.

The conduct of Rugby Australia in destroying the Rebels – the men’s and women’s teams – demonstrates an appalling lack of judgement by the national body.

The Directors have reserved their right to seek future compensation from RA for personal damages inflicted on them by RA.

With backing from the Private Equity backed consortium, the Rebels can be back on the field at a new home in Tarneit in Melbourne’s western suburbs as soon as the Court clears the path.
 

stillmissit

Peter Johnson (47)
Here we go again:

Full statement from Directors of Melbourne Rebels Rugby Union Pty Ltd: issued today 09/10/2024

Melbourne Rebels Rugby Union Pty Ltd (‘Melbourne Rebels’) today issued proceedings in the Federal Court of Australia against Rugby Australia.

The Melbourne Rebels are seeking significant damages and indemnities from Rugby Australia along with a declaration that they are entitled to resume control of the Rebels so the team can continue to play in the Super Rugby Competition.

The Rebels are a member of Rugby Australia and had a legal expectation that they would not only be treated fairly but that they would be treated equally to other members. Amongst other things, the Rebels will assert that Rugby Australia has breached various section of the Corporations Act, has unlawfully oppressed the Rebels and is obliged to indemnify the Rebels for liabilities to the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) (as well as other broader employment liabilities) incurred when Rebels players were playing for Rugby Australia teams.

The Rebels are seeking an urgent order granting the Rebels the right to inspect the Rugby Australia books, including accounting and loan records, to determine whether (and the extent to which) there has been fiduciary and governance failures by Rugby Australia.

The Constitution requires that the assets of Rugby Australia be applied for the benefit of all members. The Rebels believe that this has not been the case and that there has been unacceptable and unauthorised spending (perhaps best exemplified by the unauthorised and excessive spending at last year’s Rugby World Cup and the subsequent suppression of the Rugby World Cup independent report).
We want an independent person to decide whether the conduct of Rugby Australia meets the standards required by law – and that will now be a Federal Court Judge.

Counsel for the Melbourne Rebels includes Philip Crutchfield KC, Harry Forrester, tax specialist Gareth Redenbach and Alexander Di Stefano.

The Melbourne Rebels Directors, all unpaid volunteers, will be providing the court extensive documentation demonstrating that Rugby Australia was aware of the financial situation of the Rebels at all times.

There is also extensive evidence of Rugby Australia executives and Directors continuing to reassure the Rebels (and other clubs) that a large private equity deal was imminent and would provide a financial lifeline to Rugby in Australia.

Rugby Australia did secure an $80m loan facility but they chose only to provide funding, indemnities or other financial support to the NSW Waratahs and subsequently the ACT Brumbies in preference to the Melbourne Rebels.

The Rugby Australia Board and executives don’t seem to understand that Rugby Australia is a union of members. The Rugby Australia Board has a legal obligation to act in the interest of all members, they do not have the ability (or legal right) to pick and choose the Clubs and/or States they wish to survive and those that they wish to destroy.

There is no trust and confidence in the board and management of Rugby Australia. Their conduct needs to be both exposed and explained.

RA have had many months to explain their actions and have failed to do so. The Rebels Directors believe that the simple reason for this is that there is no defence to their conduct.

We are fighting to not only save the professional men’s and women’s Rugby teams, but to maintain the successful pathways from grassroots junior Rugby in Victoria through to the elite level. We are grateful for the incredible support we have received from the Victorian Government who also understand the importance of a professional team to the boys and girls in Victoria. Over two decades the Victorian government has provided significant funding to Rugby Australia to facilitate the development – not only of rugby in Victoria but of the broader national game.

The conduct of Rugby Australia in destroying the Rebels – the men’s and women’s teams – demonstrates an appalling lack of judgement by the national body.

The Directors have reserved their right to seek future compensation from RA for personal damages inflicted on them by RA.

With backing from the Private Equity backed consortium, the Rebels can be back on the field at a new home in Tarneit in Melbourne’s western suburbs as soon as the Court clears the path.
Any lawyers here who can comment on this?
 

Tazzmania

Bob Loudon (25)
Any lawyers here who can comment on this?
According to Legal Aid NSW website (while not the same, the process would have to be pretty similar) the next steps would be::

"After you have received the Statement of Claim you have a number of things you can do, including:

Pay the amount claimed
Ask for more information
Negotiate
Go to external dispute resolution (EDR) - consumer credit debts,
File a defence
File a cross-claim
Do nothing. "

This is going to go on for a long while I suspect........
 

The Ghost of Raelene

David Codey (61)
Here we go again:

Full statement from Directors of Melbourne Rebels Rugby Union Pty Ltd: issued today 09/10/2024

Melbourne Rebels Rugby Union Pty Ltd (‘Melbourne Rebels’) today issued proceedings in the Federal Court of Australia against Rugby Australia.

The Melbourne Rebels are seeking significant damages and indemnities from Rugby Australia along with a declaration that they are entitled to resume control of the Rebels so the team can continue to play in the Super Rugby Competition.

The Rebels are a member of Rugby Australia and had a legal expectation that they would not only be treated fairly but that they would be treated equally to other members. Amongst other things, the Rebels will assert that Rugby Australia has breached various section of the Corporations Act, has unlawfully oppressed the Rebels and is obliged to indemnify the Rebels for liabilities to the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) (as well as other broader employment liabilities) incurred when Rebels players were playing for Rugby Australia teams.

The Rebels are seeking an urgent order granting the Rebels the right to inspect the Rugby Australia books, including accounting and loan records, to determine whether (and the extent to which) there has been fiduciary and governance failures by Rugby Australia.

The Constitution requires that the assets of Rugby Australia be applied for the benefit of all members. The Rebels believe that this has not been the case and that there has been unacceptable and unauthorised spending (perhaps best exemplified by the unauthorised and excessive spending at last year’s Rugby World Cup and the subsequent suppression of the Rugby World Cup independent report).
We want an independent person to decide whether the conduct of Rugby Australia meets the standards required by law – and that will now be a Federal Court Judge.

Counsel for the Melbourne Rebels includes Philip Crutchfield KC, Harry Forrester, tax specialist Gareth Redenbach and Alexander Di Stefano.

The Melbourne Rebels Directors, all unpaid volunteers, will be providing the court extensive documentation demonstrating that Rugby Australia was aware of the financial situation of the Rebels at all times.

There is also extensive evidence of Rugby Australia executives and Directors continuing to reassure the Rebels (and other clubs) that a large private equity deal was imminent and would provide a financial lifeline to Rugby in Australia.

Rugby Australia did secure an $80m loan facility but they chose only to provide funding, indemnities or other financial support to the NSW Waratahs and subsequently the ACT Brumbies in preference to the Melbourne Rebels.

The Rugby Australia Board and executives don’t seem to understand that Rugby Australia is a union of members. The Rugby Australia Board has a legal obligation to act in the interest of all members, they do not have the ability (or legal right) to pick and choose the Clubs and/or States they wish to survive and those that they wish to destroy.

There is no trust and confidence in the board and management of Rugby Australia. Their conduct needs to be both exposed and explained.

RA have had many months to explain their actions and have failed to do so. The Rebels Directors believe that the simple reason for this is that there is no defence to their conduct.

We are fighting to not only save the professional men’s and women’s Rugby teams, but to maintain the successful pathways from grassroots junior Rugby in Victoria through to the elite level. We are grateful for the incredible support we have received from the Victorian Government who also understand the importance of a professional team to the boys and girls in Victoria. Over two decades the Victorian government has provided significant funding to Rugby Australia to facilitate the development – not only of rugby in Victoria but of the broader national game.

The conduct of Rugby Australia in destroying the Rebels – the men’s and women’s teams – demonstrates an appalling lack of judgement by the national body.

The Directors have reserved their right to seek future compensation from RA for personal damages inflicted on them by RA.

With backing from the Private Equity backed consortium, the Rebels can be back on the field at a new home in Tarneit in Melbourne’s western suburbs as soon as the Court clears the path.

"The conduct of Rugby Australia in destroying the Rebels – the men’s and women’s teams – demonstrates an appalling lack of judgement by the national body.

This line right here tickled me.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Rugby Australia did secure an $80m loan facility but they chose only to provide funding, indemnities or other financial support to the NSW Waratahs and subsequently the ACT Brumbies in preference to the Melbourne Rebels.

The Directors have reserved their right to seek future compensation from RA for personal damages inflicted on them by RA.

With backing from the Private Equity backed consortium, the Rebels can be back on the field at a new home in Tarneit in Melbourne’s western suburbs as soon as the Court clears the path.


They seem to operating on Trump levels of delusion...
 

SouthernX

John Thornett (49)
This lawsuit might be the reform that needs to happen.

Has anyone thought about how centralisation will impact expansion. If RA has X amount of revenue coming in to support 4 teams… how do you think the other franchises will feel/vote should a 5th team enter the fray and now super franchises needed to redistribute the payment 5 ways now instead of 4.

Melbourne market is very important for rugby if it wants to be a serious professional competition.
 
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Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
This lawsuit might be the reform that needs to happen.

Has anyone thought about how centralisation will impact expansion. If RA has X amount of revenue coming in to support 4 teams… how do you think the other franchises will feel/vote should a 5th team enter the fray and now super franchises needed to redistribute the payment 5 ways now instead of 4.

Melbourne market is very important for rugby if it wants to be a serious professional competition.
The Tahs and Brumbies franchises don't get a vote anymore as they don't have an independent license under the participation agreement. So it's just the Reds & Force
Well they bailed out two clubs and nothing for the Rebels.
Rebels lost their Super Rugby licence when they called in the administrator, and hence weren't members of RA anymore.
 

Alex Sharpe

Ward Prentice (10)
Not well versed enough in law to comment on what the outcome may look like, but it will no doubt be dreadful for the game in Australia.

What is the main motivation here? Money? Holding people to account?

Dragging rugby through more financial turmoil wont bring the Rebels back. I can't see a lawsuit as the right thing to do
 

Rebel man

John Thornett (49)
Not well versed enough in law to comment on what the outcome may look like, but it will no doubt be dreadful for the game in Australia.

What is the main motivation here? Money? Holding people to account?

Dragging rugby through more financial turmoil wont bring the Rebels back. I can't see a lawsuit as the right thing to do
Well if the court finds its unlawful to exclude them from the comp than it will literally bring them back.

Also we could all pile on the Rebels and their directors for the way the club was run. Yet if the federal court finds that RA’s conduct was unlawful then they should be held to account.
 
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