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They’ve been bailing the Rebels out for yearsWell they bailed out two clubs and nothing for the Rebels.
They’ve been bailing the Rebels out for yearsWell they bailed out two clubs and nothing for the Rebels.
Directors wanting $Not well versed enough in law to comment on what the outcome may look like, but it will no doubt be dreadful for the game in Australia.
What is the main motivation here? Money? Holding people to account?
Dragging rugby through more financial turmoil wont bring the Rebels back. I can't see a lawsuit as the right thing to do
Stated they're all volunteersDirectors wanting $
I genuinely think that Victorian Rugby and the Rebels are completely secondary in these peoples minds and are being used like a human shield to their egos.
Say they did return as a Rugby Club. How long until the hand is back out and the hot chip stand needs their invoices paid again.
Do they still have the Kia Carnival out back of AAMI Park?
So the fact that RA may have acted unlawfully is fine then. Because for the good of the game in Victoria we should just shut up and take it?Directors wanting $
I genuinely think that Victorian Rugby and the Rebels are completely secondary in these peoples minds and are being used like a human shield to their egos.
Say they did return as a Rugby Club. How long until the hand is back out and the hot chip stand needs their invoices paid again.
Do they still have the Kia Carnival out back of AAMI Park?
Well if the court finds its unlawful to exclude them from the comp than it will literally bring them back.
Also we could all pile on the Rebels and their directors for the way the club was run. Yet if the federal court finds that RA’s
What is the crux of the alleged unlawful behaviour? preferential treatment of other unions? Surely RA have the right to invest limited resources in markets (ACT, NSW) that are likely to provide better returns.So the fact that RA may have acted unlawfully is fine then. Because for the good of the game in Victoria we should just shut up and take it?
I agree with the logic here.What is the crux of the alleged unlawful behaviour? preferential treatment of other unions? Surely RA have the right to invest limited resources in markets (ACT, NSW) that are likely to provide better returns.
Read the statement yourselfWhat is the crux of the alleged unlawful behaviour? preferential treatment of other unions? Surely RA have the right to invest limited resources in markets (ACT, NSW) that are likely to provide better returns.
These the volunteers who the ATO notified would be held financially liable for the debts (11.5m that portion). If it's the same Directors then I'd say it's very much about $.Stated they're all volunteers
What is the main motivation here? Money? Holding people to account?
The Rebels directors are trying to avoid being held personally liable for various debts owed by the Rebels to the ATO.
"The directors also allege that Rugby Australia is obliged to indemnify the directors for the tax debts accrued by the club and now assigned as personal debts to the directors."
"the Rebels will assert that Rugby Australia has breached various sections of the Corporations Act, has unlawfully oppressed the Rebels and is obliged to indemnify the Rebels for liabilities to the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) (as well as other broader employment liabilities) incurred when Rebels players were playing for Rugby Australia teams.”
Question as I don't know the status but were the Rebels under centralisation at all? In my mind if you are you become a Rugby Australia team but if not then you are your'e own entity even though RA licenses you? I really have no idea of that situation. Even though the Reds are doing alright are they just an RA team?
So allegations of breaking corporations act don’t mate now it is a former Tah in the gun. As long as NSW is okay we can ignore any governance issues.All these arguments seem absolutely spurious to me.
There was no centralisation and the Rebels were a separate legal entity.
Why would RA be obliged to indemnify the directors for tax debts? Does this mean that RA should indemnify every director of every rugby entity in Australia that is under their ultimate umbrella? If Easts Rugby Club stop paying the PAYG withholding and super for their bar staff should Rugby Australia ultimately be on the hook for it?
Also, I don't believe the Rebels stopped paying the player salaries when players were away on Wallaby duty. They just stopped paying the ATO and are now arguing that RA should have been paying those amounts.
Super Rugby players are paid well after the Super Rugby season whether they are playing for the Wallabies or not. Based on the Rebels logic should their club rugby team be paying those salaries in July and August?
As frivilous and vexatious as it all sounds this will still cost RA a lot to defend.
So allegations of breaking corporations act don’t mate now it is a former Tah in the gun. As long as NSW is okay we can ignore any governance issues.
If there is evidence to support the claims then there are serious issues stemming from RA and they should be held accountable.
“Every dollar spent on lawyers is money not spent on rugby and the community game,” Mr Herbert said. “There’s only so many times you can continue to be threatened without pushing back the claims against the directors. They continued to take money whilst they were allegedly trading insolvent.All these arguments seem absolutely spurious to me.
There was no centralisation and the Rebels were a separate legal entity.
Why would RA be obliged to indemnify the directors for tax debts? Does this mean that RA should indemnify every director of every rugby entity in Australia that is under their ultimate umbrella? If Easts Rugby Club stop paying the PAYG withholding and super for their bar staff should Rugby Australia ultimately be on the hook for it?
Also, I don't believe the Rebels stopped paying the player salaries when players were away on Wallaby duty. They just stopped paying the ATO and are now arguing that RA should have been paying those amounts.
Super Rugby players are paid well after the Super Rugby season whether they are playing for the Wallabies or not. Based on the Rebels logic should their club rugby team be paying those salaries in July and August?
As frivilous and vexatious as it all sounds this will still cost RA a lot to defend.
Did you read the statement? It alleges that they were well aware of the financial situationFirstly, there's zero details as yet on what they're accusing in relation to the Corps Act.
Secondly, this is a civil court. I am entirely unsure how the Rebels being able to show that Rugby Australia breached a section of the Corps Act relates to whether or not they could cancel the Rebels' licence. I'm also entirely unsure what relevance that would have on the debts the Rebels (and now their former directors) owed to the ATO.
Yet you will claim anyone that believes the Rebels directors as biased while any one who blindly accepts RA’s version of events aren’t biased“Every dollar spent on lawyers is money not spent on rugby and the community game,” Mr Herbert said. “There’s only so many times you can continue to be threatened without pushing back the claims against the directors. They continued to take money whilst they were allegedly trading insolvent.
“We are not interested in taking money out of the game to pay people’s personal debts from tax penalty notices.”
30th May - Not from a Tah