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Jim Lenehan (48)
How do you know it would be the right thing to do? It may be serious. Just because she works for a high profile organisation should not eliminate her right to remove herself from a situation.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Is she back in the country? Has she been on the TV? Were cameras waiting at the airport for her arrival? Who knows where she is?
But we would know every movement of KB (Kurtley Beale) had he come home.
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Bob Loudon (25)
KB (Kurtley Beale) in trouble; ARU coverups; Link's management/coaching under fire; lost luggage; S Finger likely never to see his again; Dingo's spectre rising; Jake White back on the streets; possible ISIS links; Ebola spreading; this song:
I reckon the boys will have a cracker this weekend! Wallabies by 40!
I reckon the boys will have a cracker this weekend! Wallabies by 40!
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Peter Johnson (47)
Kurtleys obviously said something that has ruined his relationship with Patston. Considering she is the de facto team manager, and his apology was not accepted, in the long term that means either he goes or she goes.
We can hypothesise that the reason he hasn't been sent home is because the rest of the squad including maybe Link, didn't think what he said was that bad, or couldn't empathise with the offence she took to it. Ergo it wasn't grounds for dismissal, but it has ruined a working relationship.
I don't like that Patston didn't remain on tour. If she is running the show like her job description insinuates than she should have stayed the course, if only to show the other members of the squad that she means business. But again, we lack details. Was it her decision to leave or was she sent home?
At the end of the day, players and staff will come and go. The important thing is that the squad as a whole still respects Link's judgement.
I don't think it is too far fetched that both parties in this incident will find themselves employed elsewhere in the near future.
We can hypothesise that the reason he hasn't been sent home is because the rest of the squad including maybe Link, didn't think what he said was that bad, or couldn't empathise with the offence she took to it. Ergo it wasn't grounds for dismissal, but it has ruined a working relationship.
I don't like that Patston didn't remain on tour. If she is running the show like her job description insinuates than she should have stayed the course, if only to show the other members of the squad that she means business. But again, we lack details. Was it her decision to leave or was she sent home?
At the end of the day, players and staff will come and go. The important thing is that the squad as a whole still respects Link's judgement.
I don't think it is too far fetched that both parties in this incident will find themselves employed elsewhere in the near future.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
That may be the most disturbing post on this thread.
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John Hipwell (52)
Still lot's of speculation despite what was widely believed yesterday having been shown to be wrong.
I totally fail to see how KBs action is a reflection of some failure on Link's behalf. This was not an argument with one staff member, Patston got involved because Beale was being difficult with someone else. How many instances with bouncers and team mates are needed to convince some people? He tried to apologise so maybe if we are reading into everything that is actually a positive associated with Link's tenure.
The ABs seem to be held as some gold standard but have a look at there recent issues and it is hardly an image with a lot of basis in reality. Does that mean Henry and Hansen are bad people managers and should have been relieved of there duties? Fuck no. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.
I totally fail to see how KBs action is a reflection of some failure on Link's behalf. This was not an argument with one staff member, Patston got involved because Beale was being difficult with someone else. How many instances with bouncers and team mates are needed to convince some people? He tried to apologise so maybe if we are reading into everything that is actually a positive associated with Link's tenure.
The ABs seem to be held as some gold standard but have a look at there recent issues and it is hardly an image with a lot of basis in reality. Does that mean Henry and Hansen are bad people managers and should have been relieved of there duties? Fuck no. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Agree and depending on the nature of the particular bee in KB (Kurtley Beale)'s bonnet at the time if Link did stand back it may have been to give Patston the thumbs up with how she was dealing with it.
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George Smith (75)
Surprised it took this long but there's just been a "story" on 9's sports news that "KB (Kurtley Beale) may be off to the NRL".
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I think the Dublin 5 incident is why Beale is still there. There is still negatively publicity being thrown around by that fuckwit Growden. Perhaps they have agreed to ARU will deal with all issues, not Link and therefore they want to fully resolve it and determine the facts before acting.
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David Wilson (68)
I think we need to accept that in the environment of professional rugby, Aussie Rule, league, soccer, cricket et al teams that individual behaviour issues will always arise. The extent and the frequency have a significant correlation to the culture within the extended group and the leadership provided by the coach, officials, senior players and administration. I think it's fair to say that link inherited a situation where the extent and frequency of misbehaviour were unnacceptable and the leadership of the time failed.
Link has done a pretty good job and he's always struck me as someone who is pretty good at man management and leadership.
I don't think that an argument on a plane between a player and an official qualifies as a break down in culture. Clearly the player concerned made comments towards the official, but what we don't know :
Was the original comment a smart arse one, or disrespectful or insulting or offensive or threatening.
How did the official respond - did she engage on the same level or did she play a straight bat and remain calm and professional
How long did the exchange last - one or two comments each or did this last for minutes.
His behaviour on the scant evidence so far seems unacceptable within a team environment, but we don't really have any idea as to the seriousness or otherwise of it. Just because someone refuses to accept an apology doesn't necessarily elevate the behaviour to the highest level of seriousness.
As I understand KB (Kurtley Beale)'s status, he is under contract to the Waratahs and Wallabies until the end of 2014. An offer has been tabled, but he has not yet accepted the offer. Withdrawal of the offer would seem a fairly simple way of ending the matter.
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Colin Windon (37)
How Kurtley Beale was saved by Wallaby player power
DateOctober 4, 2014 - 9:45AM
Georgina Robinson
Chief Rugby Reporter
Kurtley Beale dumped from Wallabies
Star back Kurtley Beale is left out of the Wallabies squad, as Ewen McKenzie overhauls his bench ahead of their Rugby Championship clash against Argentina.
Mendoza: A last-ditch intervention from senior players helped save Kurtley Beale from being sent home from the Wallabies' drama-plagued trip to Argentina.
As the playing group rallied around their under-fire team mate this week, Fairfax Media has learned that three of the most senior players in the Wallabies squad met coach Ewen McKenzie on Monday in an attempt to mitigate the fall-out from Beale's verbal stoush with team business manager Di Patston a day earlier.
It is understood Wallabies captain Michael Hooper and vice captains James Slipper and Adam Ashley-Cooper spoke to McKenzie at the Emperador Hotel in Buenos Aires about what they could do to salvage the side's preparation for their final Rugby Championship clash with the Pumas on Saturday.
Up in the air: Wallabies utility back Kurtley Beale training in Mendoza. Photo: Getty Images
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/australia-rugby/how-kurtley-beale-was-saved-by-wallaby-player-power-20141003-10pmtd.html#ixzz3F89tfnrF
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Colin Windon (37)
Suggested that the players were able to turn back plans to send him home, though the actual paragraph about the meeting between Hooper et al and Link actually just says they were meeting re prep for the match.
I hope that isn't true that the players were able to influence the process.
I hope that isn't true that the players were able to influence the process.
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Rocky Elsom (76)
More smoke, less fire spotted. The waters remain very turbid.
All witnesses seem reluctant to discuss details as it right and proper with an investigation going on from the Head Office, and a Test to prepare for.
All witnesses seem reluctant to discuss details as it right and proper with an investigation going on from the Head Office, and a Test to prepare for.
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John Eales (66)
I have been watching this post with interest during my time away. There is a lot of speculation here about something we know little about. It smells of a 'storm in a teacup' to me.
Trying to think rationally and objectively, this is what I reckon has happened:
- Patston has noticed that Carter and Beale are wearing different shirts to the others and tells Link to ask them change, which Beale overhears..
- they go to the bathrooms to change and on the way back Beale says to Patston something along the lines of 'you could have fucking suggested that when we were in our 4 hour transit rather than waiting till we were on the plane'..
- a spat breaks out during which Beale tells her half the team hates her, but the insults go both ways
- for whatever reason she (not Beale) is sent home but its agreed to say she went of her own accord.
- meanwhile the media get hold of it and due to his past try to get us to believe that Beale is on the piss on the plane at 6am sitting amongst all his team mates and coaching staff
- Links view is that it wasn't a big deal and can be dealt with internally and also possibly because of doubt over To'omua declares that he is available for selection
- Pulver pulls ranks and runs all sorts of 'what if' scenarios by him and tells Link to 'suspend' him from selection until it is dealt with..
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My alternative theory is that the ARU has found out that he 'has a better offer' for next season and is going to use the event deliberately to discredit him and make it appear that he has been sacked rather than leaving due to discontent..
Trying to think rationally and objectively, this is what I reckon has happened:
- Patston has noticed that Carter and Beale are wearing different shirts to the others and tells Link to ask them change, which Beale overhears..
- they go to the bathrooms to change and on the way back Beale says to Patston something along the lines of 'you could have fucking suggested that when we were in our 4 hour transit rather than waiting till we were on the plane'..
- a spat breaks out during which Beale tells her half the team hates her, but the insults go both ways
- for whatever reason she (not Beale) is sent home but its agreed to say she went of her own accord.
- meanwhile the media get hold of it and due to his past try to get us to believe that Beale is on the piss on the plane at 6am sitting amongst all his team mates and coaching staff
- Links view is that it wasn't a big deal and can be dealt with internally and also possibly because of doubt over To'omua declares that he is available for selection
- Pulver pulls ranks and runs all sorts of 'what if' scenarios by him and tells Link to 'suspend' him from selection until it is dealt with..
- TBC
My alternative theory is that the ARU has found out that he 'has a better offer' for next season and is going to use the event deliberately to discredit him and make it appear that he has been sacked rather than leaving due to discontent..
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David Wilson (68)
Although, if one reads the article, rather than just the headline and the reporter's take on it there is nothing unusual going on.
three of the most senior players in the Wallabies squad met coach Ewen McKenzie on Monday in an attempt to mitigate the fall-out from Beale's verbal stoush with team business manager Di Patston a day earlier.
what they could do to salvage the side's preparation for their final Rugby Championship clash with the Pumas on Saturday.
"Like any business, we're a big part of it, being the leadership group," Hooper said at the team's captain's run on Friday.
"Of course we're going to have discussions with the coaching staff about processes and matters within the team.
Hardly anything unusal here I'd have thought.
The Higginbothom love had nothing to do with the meeting or the headline. More great journalism from GR.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Perhaps a little more than a storm in a tea cup, but hardly up there with invading Czechoslovakia either.
Your scenario is just as plausible as any other that has been advanced.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
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John Eales (66)
I don't think there is any need to, that's the thing..
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