Kurtley Beale

[Wilson]

Don't people have to provide their academic transcripts at interview anymore? Although perhaps old-fashioned in some eyes, it would seem a rather simple thing to require. Everyone who has studied either has one or is able to get one from their alma mater rather easily.

AFAIK is still standard practice

 

[Quick Hands]

In raising the issue of a young inexperienced leader being appointed as captain, I do so to highlight that there may be an issue with the overall man management and leadership culture in Club Wallaby. Hardly Hoopers fault that he has been appointed captain, and what player is going to turn down a Coach's appointment of them as Captain?

Although leadership isn't necessarily a funtion of age. Some people are obvious leaders and even older people around them recognise it, some people just don't have what it takes, no matter how old they are.

I agree 100% that culture within the group is vital and in the professional footbal team environment it comes from the coach, those whom the coach appoints and the extent to which the administration support them.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

When first applying for the job with the Reds, she may not have claimed the qualifications on her application.

Further, the job description and selection criteria may not have stated "must have a bachelor degree in .... ... ..." or words to the same general effect.

By all accounts, she was appointed to her current position by Link, and the job description and person specification appears to have been written to suit the incumbent. Not unusual in many industries where the Manager is satisfied that the person can do the job, and the Employer is undergoing reorganisation and rationalisation.

Lastly, having a degree, even a specialist professional degree like Engineering or Medicine, is no guarantee of competence in that field.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

Postcards from Argentina​

Its just a couple of years old, but interesting to go thru the careers n that photo and se how all the Bull**** worked out for each of them...

 

[#1 Tah]

Lastly, having a degree, even a specialist professional degree like Engineering or Medicine, is no guarantee of competence in that field.

Careful where you step Hugh, the degree was from Sydney University!

 

[chasmac]

I haven't previously commented as there haven't been enough facts to warrant the speculation. There still aren't.
Does anyone know what was said?
Was Kurtley sarcastic comment a personal attack on Di Patston?
Or was it a comment on the role she was performing which seemed to be standards bearer or something like that.
If it was the latter, then was he justified? ( irrespective of the way he commented)
I think the distinction is important. A personal attack is pretty poor and should not be excused.
A comment regarding the process could be excused in some circumstances.
EG If the janitor in an organisation starts giving instructions to other employees regarding their responsibilities then 1) who's role is it to sort this out and 2) who's role is it to bring the janitor's behaviour to attention?

Does anyone know if Di Patston was the standards bearer for uniform?
Does anyone know if the team knew that this was part of her responsibilities?
Does anyone know if the team had this imposed on them or if they had agreed to have her taking a bigger part in the management / leadership / discipline of the team?

This is only an observation, I do not think there is enough information for an opinion for or against KB (Kurtley Beale).
Equally I'm not for or against Di Patston.
Finally, I do not think of Di Patston as a Janitor, it is mearly a metaphor used to describe some of the unfortunate machinations within organisations.

I hope this doesn't result in KB (Kurtley Beale) losing a contract or a potential contract for next year.

 

[Ash]

Well, seeing as KB (Kurtley Beale) has been reported as having apologised, it's pretty fair to assume that both he was in the wrong, and that he knew it.

Other than that, that's not too much to go on. A lot will come down to what both parties said in the confrontration, and reportedly it was in front of the entire team.

 

[Scrubber2050]

what? Someone fibbing on the Internet? God help us all.

My degree, obtained from a prestigous Spanish University cost about $1,500.00. An optional extra costing $200 was that I could give myself Honours as well as acceleration. Education is costly and time consuming. $1700.00 and two (2) full weeks

 

[Scoey]

I don't know how much they get paid but there's more than a few people wading in on this topic (not just in this forum but in general) that could give the scriptwriters at Days of Our Lives a run for their money! Cha-ching!

Well anyway, I'm here to lay it all out for you, so you can all move on. This is a short version of what actually happened.

 

[barbarian]

Well, seeing as KB (Kurtley Beale) has been reported as having apologised, it's pretty fair to assume that both he was in the wrong, and that he knew it.

Other than that, that's not too much to go on. A lot will come down to what both parties said in the confrontration, and reportedly it was in front of the entire team.

Possibly, he obviously started the altercation. But it must have been some altercation to get out into the media like it has, and for that it really takes two to tango.

I'm more worried about this for the team than if it was just Kurtley getting pissed and sounding off. Sounds like there is a bit more too this, and some simmering discontent at how the team is being run.
.

 

[Lorenzo]

If Beale is stupid enough to get in an argument over a tshirt then the attitude just isn't there and it is time for a change of scenery. If the allegations against Patston are true and she was smart enough to fool everyone for so long then she is prob worth keeping around, unfortunately that is untenable.

Guess the ARU will be saving money on two salary's soon. I might put in a resume and hope the same people that checked Di's credentials are still around.

I think this is unfair.

Travelling for work is bloody tiring. Throw in doing it to Africa and dealing with the emotions of the loss, and it's not hard to see someone wanting to tell the HR woman to fuck off when she asks you to change your t-shirt. The difference between wanting to and doing it is important, but we would all want to.

I can certainly say that I am glad I haven't had a back-office person hassling me on my flight after a 3 or 4 day trip to Asia and I've not had to do it after a particularly unsuccessful day at work.

 

[ACT Crusader]

On the 'Link running training' part of this story, is that confirmed?

I'm assuming that this was the first get together post the flight, where team management want the players to stay awake somewhat, get the cobwebs out etc.

If the Wallabies are anything like the ABs, these are not rugby trainings, they are activities just to get the players some fresh air etc. The last one for the ABs included some games with polystyrene cups, some golf chipping practice and a few other games.

Shag, Fox or Fozzie were not around, it was run by the fitness trainer.

 

[RugbyReg]

Is it wrong to want a little consistency?

I just don't see the relevance of what someone posts on a social media profile. I mean, I doubt you really are the #1 Tah?

I guess I should note that I know Di having worked with her at the QRU. Lovely lady. Highly competent in my dealings with her.

 

[Scrubber2050]

I think this is unfair.

Travelling for work is bloody tiring. Throw in doing it to Africa and dealing with the emotions of the loss, and it's not hard to see someone wanting to tell the HR woman to fuck off when she asks you to change your t-shirt. The difference between wanting to and doing it is important, but we would all want to.

I can certainly say that I am glad I haven't had a back-office person hassling me on my flight after a 3 or 4 day trip to Asia and I've not had to do it after a particularly unsuccessful day at work.

Lorenzo - you probably don't get paid $10,000 for 10 minutes and yearly contract of Fuck Knows how much.

Just to play rugby for your country I'd be happy to get paid, and sit at attention for the whole flight with a big grin on my face and a pocket full of jelly beans.

 

[I like to watch]

The shirt is just another demonstration that the rules are for everyone else.
They obviously have a travelling uniform,how many had to be asked to change into the correct attire?
The fact that Link apparently looked on impotently during the exchange speaks volumes.

 

[Braveheart81]

Possibly, he obviously started the altercation. But it must have been some altercation to get out into the media like it has, and for that it really takes two to tango.

I'm more worried about this for the team than if it was just Kurtley getting pissed and sounding off. Sounds like there is a bit more too this, and some simmering discontent at how the team is being run.
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There is definitely a discrepancy between the apparent seriousness of the fallout and the fact that it happened during a flight without anyone being restrained or there being action taken by the airline.

It would seem that it was perhaps what was said rather than how it was said.

I don't think the fallout will start and end with KB (Kurtley Beale) once this all plays out. There seems to be more to it.

 

[No4918]

The shirt is just another demonstration that the rules are for everyone else.
They obviously have a travelling uniform,how many had to be asked to change into the correct attire?
The fact that Link apparently looked on impotently during the exchange speaks volumes.

How do you know this? I read the people around tried to calm the situation.

 

[Baldric]

The shirt is just another demonstration that the rules are for everyone else.
They obviously have a travelling uniform,how many had to be asked to change into the correct attire?
The fact that Link apparently looked on impotently during the exchange speaks volumes.

They would have a list of appropriate attire for every occasion and thats the rules. FIFO.
Why should the coach be bothering with this shit if he has a minion to do it for him. About time some twat took responsibility for himself.

 

[Muglair]

I am not sure that the qualifications issue is irrelevant.

Georgina Robinson's article refers to the growing disquiet within the team at the expanding but blurry role of Ms P. Annoyingly I cannot find it now but I also thought that in addition there was a report or comment that some players also considered that she was taking on a de facto team psychology role as well.

While a degree or no degree in Behaviourial Science might be irrelevant on a person's capability to perform that role it could be an issue within the team if there has been controversy on the subject within the squad and it transpires that there is no degree.

The whole matter is very curious as McKenzie refuses to provide more information as it could result in a "trial by media". That would be like McKenzie's team mates and Greg Martin all sitting on Rugby HQ slagging KB (Kurtley Beale) and then saying they should not comment because they do not know the facts and then starting again "... but if it is true then ... blah blah blah". Had to turn it off.

 

[barbarian]

There is definitely a discrepancy between the apparent seriousness of the fallout and the fact that it happened during a flight without anyone being restrained or there being action taken by the airline.

It would seem that it was perhaps what was said rather than how it was said.

I don't think the fallout will start and end with KB (Kurtley Beale) once this all plays out. There seems to be more to it.

This. Forget the crap about what Kurtley did, what he wore, what he drank. It was what he SAID that has caused the issue, and it clearly wasn't 'fuck off you ...'.