Kurtley Beale

[Hugh Jarse]

Most of our younger blokes looked to her like a typical mother - strong, disiplined, no nonsense sort of lady and from my understanding actually liked her.
Maybe some older players, maybe full of themselves (KB (Kurtley Beale)) may resent her attitudes about standards etc etc.

We , the public, require certain standards from our players, both on and off the field. If you don't want to adhere to those standards, common decency, respect etc then no one is forcing you to stay.- GO.

Which brings me to a random comment.

It gives me the absolute shits when I see players, particularly during the National Anthem standing there with their socks around their ankles. Joe Tomane was the culprit I saw last week.

We have a uniform, wear it with pride. Again if you don't like the uniform then piss off

Leadership.

Can a skateboarding 22 year old do all the off field General stuff?

The Darkness have solid leaders who have bought into the whole 24/7 team standards and "we're only temporary custodians of the allocated jumper" culture.

Club Wallaby's recent approach to Leadership seems to be choose the best players and appoint them the captain, even though they may not be ready to be the Captain. (capitalisation deliberate)

 

[Train Without a Station]

It gives me the absolute shits when I see players, particularly during the National Anthem standing there with their socks around their ankles.

Haha you and those fucking socks Scrubber! I can just imagine you screaming at the TV about it and your wife yelling from another room telling you to shut up haha.

 

[It is what it is]

On the surface the whole saga seems pretty insignificant... I mean, an argument over a tshirt? And considering whom Beale was addressing surely he would've just been told to pull his head in and that would be that.....

Where it gets interesting is that the incident has caused Patson to fly home, which might seem to indicate that the argument got very personal, or something offensive has been said.

Maybe that "something offensive" said was the truth.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Regardless of qualifications or experience of the ARU employee, it appears that she was merely doing the job for which she was employed. At the very least KB (Kurtley Beale) would seem to have anger management issues.

KB (Kurtley Beale) may have attitude issues more than anger issues. You got to see elements of that during Super Rugby when he would give team mates the evil steer when they couldn't catch the godawful hospital offloads he sometimes threw at them. As if the ball being spilled was somehow their fault, not his for the poor pass.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Not confined to Beale either. Genia appears to have the same attitude at times.

 

[Dismal Pillock]

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[Scrubber2050]

Haha you and those fucking socks Scrubber! I can just imagine you screaming at the TV about it and your wife yelling from another room telling you to shut up haha.

Mate - the wife was with me - it was the mistress in the next room

 

[Scrubber2050]

Leadership.

Can a skateboarding 22 year old do all the off field general stuff?

The Darkness have solid leaders who have bought into the whole 24/7 team standards and "we're only temporary custodians of the allocated jumper" culture.

Club Wallaby's recent approach to Leadership seems to be choose the best players and make them the captains, even though they may not be ready to be the Captain. (capitalisation deliberate)

In respect of Hooper as captain there may be a question mark, particularly in retrospect with a few decisions made, Slipper and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) I have no problems with.

However, the cupboard was pretty bare after Moore went down so Hooper was the logical choice (IMO)

 

[Train Without a Station]

If Hooper is a great long term captaincy option, with Moore down I think it's a good move to say to him, "Michael, we are going to make you captain. We know you are still young, but we are going to give you time to grow into the role because of that."

When young men are thrown into leadership roles with no support and then cut adrift when they struggle is where they fall apart. If he is supported, but also told that they are patient and want him to learn on the job for long term benefit, I believe it will work out fine.

 

[I like to watch]

Leadership.

Can a skateboarding 22 year old do all the off field general stuff?

The Darkness have solid leaders who have bought into the whole 24/7 team standards and "we're only temporary custodians of the allocated jumper" culture.

Club Wallaby's recent approach to Leadership seems to be choose the best players and make them the captains, even though they may not be ready to be the Captain. (capitalisation deliberate)

Don't blame the captain for lack of leadership,if the coach was right there as the incident unfolded and was totally ignored by the player.

 

[Quick Hands]

As an aside, the postition of Business Manager sounds to me like the person who orders the stationery and runs the back office operation. Notwithstanding the job description, the skills and attributes required for that role are vastly different from the skills and attributes required to enforce discipline on young men. I suggest the we return to the situation where two different people fulfil the roles. An older person (doesn't need to be an ex-Wallaby) who's played the game at some level and has some gravitas and man-mangement skills had been sent on the mission, maybe the result would have been different. (This is not an attempt to excuse the behaviour)

 

[#1 Tah]

So all KB (Kurtley Beale) has done is uncover a potential fraud amongst the ranks? More vigilante than dummy spit.

Maybe he is the inside centre Gotham Australia deserves.

 

[Wilson]

So all KB (Kurtley Beale) has done is uncover a potential fraud amongst the ranks? More vigilante than dummy spit.

Maybe he is the inside centre Gotham Australia deserves.

He's certainly not the one we need

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Don't blame the captain for lack of leadership,if the coach was right there as the incident unfolded and was totally ignored by the player.

I'm suggesting that there may still be some toxicity left in the Club Wallaby culture. As others have pointed out, the Coach was right there. He issued a direction. It appears to have been complied with. Others in the group, a player and a team official, then chose to debate the issue. Things got out of hand from there.

I am thinking that in Team NZ, Hanson would have issued the directive. It would have been complied with. Player (tired and emotional or not) would not have made any remark neither would any team official (sitting right next to the Coach) chose to remark on the issue. "It is the right thing to do" is their culture. Why can't it be ours? It applies equally to the players, support staff, and front and back office staff.

In raising the issue of a young inexperienced leader being appointed as captain, I do so to highlight that there may be an issue with the overall man management and leadership culture in Club Wallaby. Hardly Hoopers fault that he has been appointed captain, and what player is going to turn down a Coach's appointment of them as Captain?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

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[Hugh Jarse]

So all KB (Kurtley Beale) has done is uncover a potential fraud amongst the ranks? More vigilante than dummy spit.

Maybe he is the inside centre Gotham Australia deserves.

Ms P will not be the Lone Ranger when it comes to gilding the lily on their resume.

While there is some conjecture as to the qualifications and work experience claimed on her Linked In profile, there is no evidence (yet) to suggest that her CV was fabricated when she applied for the gig with the Reds or at ARU. Sounds like she didn't have to apply for the gig at ARU anyway.

Is it fraudulent to be a little economical with the truth on the Internet?

 

[RugbyReg]

Should the ARU integrity unit not be investigating this too? Or is this a matter for Fair Work Australia?

what? Someone fibbing on the Internet? God help us all.

 

[#1 Tah]

what? Someone fibbing on the Internet? God help us all.

Is it wrong to want a little consistency?

 

[Braveheart81]

I'm sure we'll find out more in the next week or so but it certainly seems like there could be more to this.

Whilst Beale could certainly have been hungover it seems unlikely he was drunk. The incident was a minimum of 6 hours after they stopped drinking (and that would assume Beale and other players were drinking until they left for the airport at 4:30am (which seems unlikely)).

Clearly Beale could be 100% in the wrong and just acted like a complete asshole but Patston being escorted to the airport by Link when he was meant to be running training at the time is highly unusual.

 

[Quick Hands]

Ms P will not be the Lone Ranger when it comes to gilding the lily on their resume.

While there is some conjecture as to the qualifications and work experience claimed on her Linked In profile, there is no evidence (yet) to suggest that her CV was fabricated when she applied for the gig with the Reds or at ARU. Sounds like she didn't have to apply for the gig at ARU anyway.

Is it fraudulent to be a little economical with the truth on the Internet?

Don't people have to provide their academic transcripts at interview anymore? Although perhaps old-fashioned in some eyes, it would seem a rather simple thing to require. Everyone who has studied either has one or is able to get one from their alma mater rather easily.