Bledisloe IV 2010 Hong Kong

[Lindommer]

Let's have a poll for wingers. My pecking order is something like:

Turner
Ioane
Mitchell
Hynes
Davies
JOC (James O'Connor), with Davies to creep up the list with a good performance or two. With Digby injured it's Turner and Mitchell in the team and JOC (James O'Connor) on the bench.

 

[disco]

I certainly think Peter Hynes should not be overlooked. He played some fantastic Rugby this year at fullback. People will talk about Kurtley Beale, and his rise. I'm sorry, but I still think Hynes is better than Beale. It will be proved on this Spring Tour. Hynes was quite clearly the best Australian fullback in the S14. Yes the best. Beale has found consistency and its great to see it. Rookie of the year is certainly fitting for him as well.

I still think Hynes' game and style at Fullback is exactly what the Wallabies need. A fullback who backs himself, and that's exactly what he does. No hesitations to do so, he's a confronting winger, with some very good defense. I love the competition for Beale and Hynes at fullback, and we shouldn't declare the fullback position secured for Kurtley, as Hynes and Beale are different players with different game.

Chief,
By the end of the super 14 I would have said Hynes for sure but after the Tri nations the only way Beale will lose the fullback spot is form or injury.

If Peter Hynes has limped off after training again then he'd be better off staying home & getting a good off season in before 2011. Drew Mitchell is still under an injury cloud also so that really only leaves James O'conner, Lachie Turner & Rod Davies for honkers.

Deans Backline for HK will most likely be: 15.Beale 14.JOC (James O'Connor) 13.AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) 12.Giteau 11.Davies 10.Quade 9.Genia

Disco's backline would be: 15.Beale 14.Davies 13.AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) 12.Barnes 11.Turner 10.Quade .9Genia

 

[Scotty]

Let's have a poll for wingers. My pecking order is something like:

Turner
Ioane
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
Mitchell
Hynes
Davies
JOC (James O'Connor), with Davies to creep up the list with a good performance or two. With Digby injured it's Turner and Mitchell in the team and JOC (James O'Connor) on the bench.

Ioane
Turner
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
Mitchell
Hynes
JOC (James O'Connor)

Ioane is just about the first wallaby back picked, along with AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper). Turner needs to show he can play consistently, but is one of our only 'finishing' wingers. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is obviously needed elsewhere, but is still ahead of Mitchell as a wing IMO. Mitchell keeps being inconsistent, and I doubt that will change. Hynes needs to prove himself back from injury and JOC (James O'Connor) should be in another position (that position is on the bench at the moment). I can't rate Davies until he actually has a game for the wallabies. We also have to remember that he isn't the greatest defender in the world.

 

[DPK]

Well, maybe the first back chosen.

 

[Scotty]

Agree with Disco's backline if Mitchell and Hynes are both injured.

 

[Scotty]

Well, maybe the first back chosen.

Isn't that what I said?

 

[Henry]

Let's have a poll for wingers. My pecking order is something like:

Mitchell
Ioane
Turner
Hynes
Davies
JOC (James O'Connor)

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

From my point of view, now is the time that we want to see guys cementing their spots in the 22 ahead of the RWC. This tour is an excellent opportunity for us to shore up several key positions or at least identifying backup for front line players who are currently injured. The back three is one of those key areas and I think it's almost certain that KB (Kurtley Beale) will be starting at fullback long term unless some dramatic form reversal or injury happens. I'd be amazed to see otherwise.

The wing spots are a lot more contentious. With everyone fit, my vote goes with Ioane on one wing and Mitchell on the other. With the current availability, Turner and Mitchell.

 

[Brumbies Guy]

Let's have a poll for wingers.

If there was one wing spot available and you had to fill it with a player (assuming they don't already form apart of the team), my pecking order would be something like.

1. Ioane
2. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
3. Mitchell
4. JOC (James O'Connor)
5. Turner
6. Beale
7. Davies
8. Hynes
9. McCabe
10. everyone else, Cummins

 

[jay-c]

for all the talk about turners def- he lets in a few tries- and important ones> think his shute shield last game, think 7s final
he seems to try hard but is always in the losing team
hes got great top end pace but seems to take a few steps to think about when hes going to use it> its these few steps where he gets caught... thats if he doesnt kick the ball away every other chance he gets
beale at 15>hynes for backup 15 for me
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) to stick at outside>chambers for backup nex year
wings>
ioane
mitchell
JOC (James O'Connor)
turner
davies
morahan
cummins
mcabe

 

[Reddy!]

Well I just think going into the Wallaby season after the Super 14, Beale was untested and alot of posters here were suggesting that Hynes be given a shot at fullback because he had such a great season there (all season) with the Reds. Anyway, I'm not suggest he play fullback for the Wallabies anyway - prefer him on the wing now that Beale is the superstar.

Anyway on the backline - I like players who score tries and it's interesting to note that pretty much all the regulars in the backline have an even spread of tries this season; no one has particularly scored more than any one else.

Also Mitchell must start - best finisher in Australia easily.

 

[RugbyReg]

Reddy. I was one that picked Hynes for wallaby fullback, ahead of all comers, given his Super form. But injury got in the way. He'd be my next option at 15 though as he plays a similar game to KB (Kurtley Beale) (without the goal kicking and not as good a kicking game).

 

[Gnostic]

There needs to be balance in the back line. Arguably the best Oz back three was Roebuck, Edgerton and Campo along with Burke, Tune and Roff.

Notice the similarities between the two. A specialist 15 with one winger who could play 15 and one solid non-flashy ticks the boxes type player reliable game in game out.

IMO from what we have the combo that best suits this now is:-
15. Beale 14. Turner (non-flashy reliable) 11. Mitchell

JOC (James O'Connor) is not a winger and not a 15

 

[cyclopath]

There needs to be balance in the back line. Arguably the best Oz back three was Roebuck, Edgerton and Campo along with Burke, Tune and Roff.

Notice the similarities between the two. A specialist 15 with one winger who could play 15 and one solid non-flashy ticks the boxes type player reliable game in game out.

IMO from what we have the combo that best suits this now is:-
15. Beale 14. Turner (non-flashy reliable) 11. Mitchell

JOC (James O'Connor) is not a winger and not a 15

A fair point, Gnostic.
Egerton was actually a 15 too, in clubland for years, a very good one too. Played the counter-attack game a bit like Latham.
I agree about JOC (James O'Connor), though he is a very good player.

 

[Ruggo]

Reddy. I was one that picked Hynes for wallaby fullback, ahead of all comers, given his Super form. But injury got in the way. He'd be my next option at 15 though as he plays a similar game to KB (Kurtley Beale) (without the goal kicking and not as good a kicking game).

True but Hynes is far superior in defence. Kurtley is getting better but is not in the same league as Hynes.

What will be interesting is who misses out when all the cattle is fit. Come next super 15 season, the 13 jumper will be back up for grabs with players like Horne and Chambers going around to stake a claim for the Wallaby 13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) went to 13 as last man standing even though he has his fans here as a 13. Can anybody say for certain that had Ione been fit, He would not of got handed the Wallaby 13 after Hornes injury. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is at 13 and it would of seemed that he would slot back to 15 when no longer required in the 13 role. Now comes along Beale and puts a firm grip on the 15. Where does that leave AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) when there is more contenders for that 13 jersey? Will AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) see any time at 13 for the Brumbies to stake his claim? This has nothing to do with HK but is an interesting thought.

 

[fatprop]

Best Wingers?

ioane
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mitchell\hynes
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turner
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morahan\davies
cummins\mcabe

JOC (James O'Connor) is a 12
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is a 13

 

[Slim 293]

I pretty much agree with this...

Also, I feel that AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) must be in the team somewhere because he's consistently our best back and is always making metres... so I think he should remain at 13 and now that he's indicated he wants to stay there the Brumbies must play him there too...

 

[Scarfman]

I don't quite agree with that list fp, but as Gnostic said, you need balance. Ioane is what you might call a winger / centre. Suggests you need a winger / fullback for the other wing.

So:
Ioane / Davies on one wing
Mitchell / Turner on the other.

I like Hynes more as a 15 than a wing, if he is playing. Not too interested in JOC (James O'Connor).

 

[disco]

Where does that leave AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) when there is more contenders for that 13 jersey? Will AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) see any time at 13 for the Brumbies to stake his claim?

I think AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) should stay at 13 no matter what. From here on in he should remain our 1st choice 13 until the RWC.

 

[WB3]

This "who to put where" backline problem isn't a bad one to have if you ask me. I think so long as either JOC (James O'Connor) nails it at wing (unlikely) or Deans picks just about any of his other major options instead, we will basically have a GOOD backline on the park, bar Giteau who is playing crap at the moment.

Probably the wrong thread for it, but if we picked ONLY wallabies who were 24/25 and younger

9 Genia
10 Cooper
12 JOC (James O'Connor)/Barnes
13 Horne
11/14 Turner/Davies (is he under 25?)/Ioane (no idea how old he is)
15 Beale

We could do worse in all of those positions. I would rather have too many blokes to fit in the team than not enough and at this rate I think we are getting there.


Back to the Bledisloe, was it HK or somewhere else where they played on that field that was basically astroturf and all the players got all grazed up and stuff?