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Australian Rugby / RA
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Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Probably the right time - he peaked at beating the ABs, and now has registered a fair layer of "ordinary" on top of that.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
I know it's unheard of these days but he took responsibility for poor performances by his team & quit, didn't he?
That was certainly part of it. I think COVID also played a significant part. He'd spent large amounts of the previous couple of years away from home and done a ton of hotel quarantine etc. and was barely able to see his family.
Rob42
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Makes sense. The Argentinian RU could never have sacked the coach that gave them victory over the All Blacks, he could have been coach for life after that.
Quite shit working conditions as well
Very long periods of isolation in their "bubble" would have made the whole thing quite tough
Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
Wow!. Puts things in perspective. What do the rich European rugby clubs receive/spend by comparison?
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
2019 figures had distributions at $10million per club for both Top 14 and England Premier Rugby.
Average revenue for Top14 was $50million per club, and $30million for Premier Rugby clubs.
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
Would not mind a separate thread for NRC mark 3 discussion, but leave it to others to decide.
As I can’t help but feel now is the time to do an NRC mark 3 that also taps into the fan appeal for super rugby au with the drua inclusion and given their rapid improvement.
By that I mean post super rugby we have a nrc competition with only the existing oz super rugby sides plus the drua, minus the wallabies / Fiji reps and with best club players added to squads to bolster. This concept gives much needed additional games /development at higher standard then club.rugby especially for fringe super rugby players, allows best club players chance to showcase their talent at pro level and providing a pathway, leverages existing teams, infrastructure, brands and team fans, and gives us the super rugby au product the fans loved.
Surely a no brainer and would be easy to get started given not creating new teams. Any reason why it could not start this year after super rugby pacific?
As I can’t help but feel now is the time to do an NRC mark 3 that also taps into the fan appeal for super rugby au with the drua inclusion and given their rapid improvement.
By that I mean post super rugby we have a nrc competition with only the existing oz super rugby sides plus the drua, minus the wallabies / Fiji reps and with best club players added to squads to bolster. This concept gives much needed additional games /development at higher standard then club.rugby especially for fringe super rugby players, allows best club players chance to showcase their talent at pro level and providing a pathway, leverages existing teams, infrastructure, brands and team fans, and gives us the super rugby au product the fans loved.
Surely a no brainer and would be easy to get started given not creating new teams. Any reason why it could not start this year after super rugby pacific?
Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
Yep, and it would also build cohesion among the Super Rugby teams, hopefully increasing their competitiveness for the following SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) season. Whether this is enough to make SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) work, I'm not sure. But it needs to be tested.
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
Yes and much lower cost, risk and test investment given leveraging existing teams / brands / infrastructure etc.
PhilClinton
Mark Loane (55)
The club rugby season isn't due to start in QLD and NSW for another 4 weeks.
Grand Finals to be played in early September.
I believe Super Rugby Pacific Grand Final to be played in June. I don't think pillaging the club teams for extra players during the middle of their season would go down well.
Any additional competition will have to run from September - November
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Yep and works in that clubs get few super players for a while, then the next level of players get rugby a step up. Think it would be a great idea.
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
I am ok with that so revising my question…any reason why it can’t start this year after the club rugby season…surely Stan would be interested….
Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
That's a good point.
Obviously, ideally, you'd want any post-Super comp to be a pathway for club players to step up. But (just for this year) do the Super Rugby teams (minus their test players) have enough players in their wider squads to play on without bringing in any/many club players?
I'm just wondering if we're getting to the point where, if an Oz Super Rugby team wants to get ahead, they will try and keep their players playing together post SRP (Super Rugby Pacific), rather than sending them back to the clubs.
Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
Just rewatched this and think it's pretty much correct.
There are other variables that have contributed to the Wallabies decline (e.g. lack of investment in pathways and development comps, player drain to o/s and rival codes, etc) but these are difficult to measure, and I don't think as influential. In any case, part of the 'damage' of these other variables has actually been their negative impact on cohesion.
The problem has not been expansion of Super Rugby teams per se, but the *way* we expanded - without understanding its impact on contractual stability and cohesion. If the original ARC had of been already running for a few seasons and then we added an extra team, it might have been a different story.
It would not be a good idea to cut a Super Rugby team now. Not only would cutting a team also create instability, but cohesion is not the only factor to consider in building a system. RA obviously also need to consider commercial factors, growth of the game, etc.
We have 5 Super Rugby teams now, and so we just need a system that allows for contractual stability at each Super Rugby club, and a system that allows us to build extra cohesion for all our professional teams. There are other ways to do this that don't involve cutting a Super Rugby team.
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
To me key takeaway was improvement of Celtic teams in 6 nations when joined pro 14 (or x number as was back then) and increasing pro games they played to 31! Our sides don’t play enough pro games cf South Africa and nz who have curry cup and npc
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
There is added problem of that option which is you drain club rugby of all the fringe players playing for clubs. Hence probably the most feasible option is playing after club rugby finishes. Could just be even six nations style contest with maybe a optional grand final (don’t even need that) to keep the initial investment cost down.
Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
Some of you on here probably know Ben Darwin personally. Here he is in a follow-up podcast with Matt Durrant since the video came out:
www.buzzsprout.com
EPISODE 30: The C Word - Part II - GOLD DIGGER: The search for Australian rugby
We continue to dive down the cohesion mine but instead of a historical interview, this time we get to have another candid interview with Ben Darwin as he travels through London in March 2022! Ben and Matt sit down and discuss the many questions an...